[Rogozhin]

As a country we are clueless. I've been telling everyone I can about peak oil and only my brother and father have taken any initiative.

Rogo

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'Y')ou guys called me ?????

[seldom_seen]

Americans, since they were tiny slobbering infants have been programmed, incessantly, perpetually that they live in a "world without limits," with "infinite possibilities."

The use of "no limits" in marketing propaganda is so pervasive that it is like background noise. It's such a common assertion that most people probably never even notice it.

So the idea that oil supply could be limited, unable to meet demand, or actually go in to depletion? Hah. That's funny...maybe in an alternate universe, but not this one. There will always be more, in ever increasing supplies. That's what we've been told since day one. That is the world we live in, and that is the truth!

Horn of plenty baby! Horn of plenty!

To suggest otherwise, well you're a loser. Most likely you will just be ignored, otherwise scorned. A neo-malthusian, a luddite, a freak. A PESSIMIST. You're no fun go away...

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', ' ') It'll be progressive, and it'll take a while, but the masses are going to attain an enlightened state. They'll be kicking, screaming, and squealing all the way down the road to enlightenment, but they'll get there. Be patient with them. Give them time to catch up.

[retiredguy]

And, what, pray tell, will "enlightenment" resemble?

As I look out over thousands of acres of farmland being tilled and fertilized with diesel-powered tractors, I can't seem to visualize these same acres being worked by happy "enlightened" peasants.

Sheb is dead on. Look in the mirror for who is to blame. Some of us figured this out on our own, but what good is it going to do us in the end? Anyone got a spaceship that can take us to that new planet that was just discovered?

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('retiredguy', 'A')nd, what, pray tell, will "enlightenment" resemble?

[clueless]

Zardoz - I have to ask: Coming from person (me) that lived in Southern and Northern Cal since 1985 until 2006, knowing what you know how can you function down there ?

I bailed out of the Bay Area when Katrina hit and the Bay Area is nowhere close to the train wreck that will be occurring down there in a couple years. Are you planning to ride things out down there? My friends down there say things are close to chokepoint.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'A')mericans, since they were tiny slobbering infants have been programmed, incessantly, perpetually that they live in a "world without limits," with "infinite possibilities."...

[SevenTen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('retiredguy', 'A')nd, what, pray tell, will "enlightenment" resemble?

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SevenTen', '
')Enlightenment will resemble havoc, war, and chaos, I imagine.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'Z')ardoz - I have to ask....

Are you planning to ride things out down there ???

My friends down there say things are close to chokepoint.

[vision-master]

When lost in the wilderness, hunker down. Try walking out without knowing where to go & you're a dead man.

[Uninspired123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'L')ike everybody else, I've been thinking about this a lot. I've come to the conclusion that there are very bad possible scenarios that you can write for just about any place on this earth. The "ideal" places, for instance, are without question going to be completely overrun with refugees if, in fact, the shit actually does hit the fan. Those who think they're going to have those spots to just themselves and their buddies are childishly naive.
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you get my point: There is no foolproof solution. A case can be made for and against anything you might try to do to "prepare" for what may, or may not, be on the horizon. We can only be sure of one thing: We don't know what's coming.
Our biggest challenge out here in Tinseltown is water. Some say the Sierra snowpack is in real trouble, others are saying it may not be after all. My take is that we have no idea what's going to happen to it, given all the variables. It's the elephant in the room, though. That's for certain. Everything else, even earthquakes, pales in importance compared to that. I've used the future-is-a-fogbank analogy before. We don't know what's in the fog, and once we're in it, we're going to be even more clueless. I figure staying put and "riding it out" on familiar turf makes as much sense as anything else we might try to do.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ike everybody else, I've been thinking about this a lot. I've come to the conclusion that there are very bad possible scenarios that you can write for just about any place on this earth.

[SevenTen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'I')'ve used the future-is-a-fogbank analogy before. We don't know what's in the fog, and once we're in it, we're going to be even more clueless. I figure staying put and "riding it out" on familiar turf makes as much sense as anything else we might try to do.

[Cyrus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'I') actually am planning for a slow burn, which pretty clearly is happeing now - The Boomers may get to third base or so, but the twenty somethings are toast, and they are going to be none to happy when they put two and two together.
There is no sense in planning for a collapse becasue there is nothing we can do about it anyway. I looked at issues like cost of lving and the potential for crime in bad times...Obvioulsy LA/OC would be worst than most.
You are the second person that has mentioned water in the last couple weeks, it will be interesting to see how they do that. Are you in OC, LA or SD ?

[Eli]

Na, ZArdoz has this right. We are all clueless. The so called plans people are making are futile. The areas that provide the most resources will be overrun by people attracted to those resources.

Think about the dust bowl in the US the Midwest dried up and parts of Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas literally blew away. What happened? People picked up and moved to resource rich California.
If Phoenix, Las Vegas and all of Southern Cal run low on water that wave of humanity will pick up and destroy the best thought out ecovilage.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1')3 Then I saw that wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness.
14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.
15 Then said I in my heart, As it happeneth to the fool, so it happeneth even to me; and why was I then more wise? Then I said in my heart, that this also is vanity.
16 For there is no remembrance of the wise more than of the fool for ever; seeing that which now is in the days to come shall all be forgotten. And how dieth the wise man? as the fool.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he so called plans people are making are futile. The areas that provide the most resources will be overrun by people attracted to those resources.

[retiredguy]

Look for a place with ample water, arable land, lots of trees and low population density. And maybe a harsh winter to discourage migration.

[Eli]

Yeah right if it is a place where there is chance that a person could find food water and shelter, you can bet there will be a million or so other people with the same flippin idea. Where are you going to go? where are you going to hide? It will be a lot like an African drought that has hit the entire world.

During the dust bowl people picked up and moved their entire families because of rumors that there were jobs and food to be had in California. I think people do not understand the level of desperation involved with that. To pick up and take your children across the country simply based on hope is incredible. There is nothing new under the sun, people forget that this has happened before.