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Re: North American Union

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 17:33:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', '
')Peak oil and the inevitable energy shortfalls are going to be DEVISIVE not Unifying forces. It is far more likely to expect CA, the US and Mexico to devolve into feuding regional countries and fiefdoms.


I agree. Big crises tend to divide countries, not unify them. Especially if the crisis affects transport, like in the case of peak oil.

On the other hand, big empires have been known to make a last-ditch effort to annex something else towards the end. But even when they succeed, it doesn't last long.

We are at the end of cheap oil, not the end of oil. With more expensive oil more human labor is required to keep the status quo. A further consolidation of power will keep the remaining oil conserved due to substancially less demand.

A world system based on regions like the EU and the AMERO under some new socialist model may not be bad for a time...perhaps peaceful even. If it comes to it it will be easy to initiate a mass dieoff under a world socialist model. Russia after all went down pretty easily.
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North American Union Movie

Unread postby KhanCEO » Sat 17 Feb 2007, 03:16:52

New Movie on The North American Union

Just say no to the NAU!
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Lou Dobbs sounds off to the American People against the SPP

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 24 Mar 2007, 14:11:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Xs8bposCc
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The North American Union related to PO/resource depletion?

Unread postby Blueberry » Mon 30 Apr 2007, 05:15:27

I hadn't seen this here:

From Feb: link
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby steam_cannon » Mon 30 Apr 2007, 12:22:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Blueberry', 'I') hadn't seen this here:

From Feb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vda1KRF ... ed&search=
I had heard various rumblings of this before, crazy stuff definitely. In the last days of oil and this economy we are going to see a lot of insane power plays...

Lets say the economy and dollar implode due to no more growth, our insane national debt of 9 Trillion and our unfunded liabilities of 50 Trillion.
http://www.peakeconomy.com/
http://www.prudentbear.com/articles/show/2001
http://moldybluecheesecurds.blogspot.co ... llars.html

Perhaps the banking institutions of these countries expect this. The Amero could be introduced after or while the dollar was in it's last throws. And if it was backed by assets like gold or even goods like Ethanol, it might make a working replacement currency. (Just speculating.) And on a positive note, few Americans have money in their bank accounts, which in the event of a severe currency devaluation would limit personal loss from a change over.

The thing is, the dollar may be beyond repair and in the event of a currency crisis, there is going to be a power vacuum. Such a crisis would hit US, Candida and Mexico. So it makes sense that they might try to solve this problem together and take it as an opportunity to consolidate power.

Google for "Amero Currency"
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05 ... 62806.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_currency_union
http://amerocurrency.com/

P.S. A piece of advise. If the big wigs are getting out of dollars, get the value in your bank account out of dollars too. Gold, Silver, Euros? Potatoes are out performing the dollar these days. If things are lining up for replacing the dollar, you don't want to be the last one with dollar holdings.
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby pea-jay » Tue 01 May 2007, 02:53:56

If the predominating fear of depletion is the undoing of our very civilization then WTF are we doing worrying about a convoluted scheme if you can even call it that to make the entire system more complex. It makes no sense.

The NAU is nothing but a boogie-man style fear that gets a certain segment of the population all up in arms about.
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 01 May 2007, 15:50:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'I')f the predominating fear of depletion is the undoing of our very civilization then WTF are we doing worrying about a convoluted scheme if you can even call it that to make the entire system more complex. It makes no sense.
I think you missed the point.

This is not a system to make things more complex, but more of a replacement for when the current system (the dollar) crashes. And it is a big move to consolidate political power between several countries, against the will of the voters.

Potentially this could be like a Walmart moving into town and all the local shops closing down. For example, they are planning to close down US shipping ports meaning more jobs going to Mexico...
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby Newsseeker » Tue 01 May 2007, 20:35:39

I have trouble seeing it happen.
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby dukey » Tue 01 May 2007, 20:42:28

it's nothing to do with peak oil really
this is a plan which has been set into motion a long time ago
and finally the bankers are pulling it off

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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby pea-jay » Wed 02 May 2007, 03:18:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', 'I') think you missed the point.

This is not a system to make things more complex, but more of a replacement for when the current system (the dollar) crashes. And it is a big move to consolidate political power between several countries, against the will of the voters.

Potentially this could be like a Walmart moving into town and all the local shops closing down. For example, they are planning to close down US shipping ports meaning more jobs going to Mexico...


Again, I stand by my original posting...

The dollar/economic crash will result out of its inherent unsustainability (in the sense that the current arrangements that sustain it). That crash will usher in widespread instabilitity. What in the world makes anyone believe that something more complex will fill in the void. This crash, when it occurs marks "game over"

When Rome fell, nothing larger or more complex replaced it. Same here. I dont deny the banking/biz elite would welcome the NAU. I just dont see it happening.

During my lifetime I think I have a better shot at witnessing the dissolution of the US, not the enlargment of it.
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby steam_cannon » Wed 02 May 2007, 12:35:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', '
')The dollar/economic crash will result out of its inherent unsustainability (in the sense that the current arrangements that sustain it). That crash will usher in widespread instabilitity. What in the world makes anyone believe that something more complex will fill in the void. This crash, when it occurs marks "game over"

When Rome fell, nothing larger or more complex replaced it. Same here. I dont deny the banking/biz elite would welcome the NAU. I just dont see it happening.

During my lifetime I think I have a better shot at witnessing the dissolution of the US, not the enlargment of it.

I see where you're coming from but ya know, historically Rome didn't dissolve over night. And replacing three currencies with one sounds like a move away from complexity, the complexity of the failing petro-dollar and all that.

Also historically, after the economic collapse of the Soviet Union and the separation of it's satellite states, many new currencies were created. But this was after the fact, relatively spontaneous. If because of the transparency of our economic systems, smart bankers are expecting collapse, well it makes sense that they would be planning a new system of currency ahead of time.

It may be that many small local currencies replace the dollar and a new unified currency fails. However, it is also possible that a unified currency system might replace the dollar for several years. The argument against this is that fractional reserve banking requires growth, so no currency can exist after peak growth. However, there are many ways a new currency can exist in a no growth world.

If people trade to get the new currency, it will grow for a number of years and will have a very high demand, then crash too. The other option is a commodity backed currency. I doubt they are planning to have Ameros backed by Ethanol stocks or grain stores. But if they did, such a currency could exist many years down the economic / depletion curve downslope.

Or maybe one day all the banks will close up shop and that will be it. However, I think we will see several new currencies before that.
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby chuck6877 » Wed 02 May 2007, 16:22:54

Will my precious metal and energy mutual funds be OK if the dollar is replaced with the Amero?

I would think the companies would still have stock prices but they would just automatically convert to Ameros with me losing nothing.

For example the precious metal companies will still be selling gold and silver but it would just be priced in Ameros now and their stocks would still have value.

Is this a good assumption?
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Re: The North American Union related to PO/resource depletio

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 03 May 2007, 16:32:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chuck6877', 'W')ill my precious metal and energy mutual funds be OK if the dollar is replaced with the Amero?

I would think the companies would still have stock prices but they would just automatically convert to Ameros with me losing nothing.

For example the precious metal companies will still be selling gold and silver but it would just be priced in Ameros now and their stocks would still have value.

Is this a good assumption?
It depends. If the dollar collapses before switching to a new currency or if we switch to a new currency while our economy is still working.

Economic Collapse of the Dollar Causing Switch to a New Currency
Looking back out the Economic Collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine for example had a very difficult transition to its new currency. Everyone lost all their bank accounts and most paper assets. Things turned out better for the elite and people connected in the military. Ownership of some companies changed hands when solders marched into offices. My relatives there had enough money to buy a house in their bank account, but it was all taken by the government. They still had their silver teaspoons but that was about it. That is why today in Ukraine, few people put money into banks. There are banks still, you can put your money in, but few people use them. As an interesting consequence of this universal distrust of banks and paper money, banks there now also deal in precious metals, gold and silver.

So if the dollar collapses, expect your bank accounts to empty and contracts like gold stocks not to be honored. The US has enforced measures against people owning gold in the past and paper assets are probably the first thing that would be ceased.

Switch to a New Currency, before any collapse perhaps like the Euro
On the other hand, perhaps the new currency will be created more like the Euro? And the organization you own gold stocks with honors your ownership and accepts the new currency for gold, then that's a good hedge (for you). However, for someone who only owns dollars in their bank account, well if they are lucky their dollars will be revalued in the new currency, or perhaps exchangeable for the new currency, probably at a relatively depreciated exchange rate.

The thing is, the US has a high debt ratio, few assets and a shaky economy that is more like the Soviet Union prior to collapse then Europe Pre European Union. I think it would be nice if a more stable currency was introduced gradually and legally required to be accepted as currency in stores. I would also like it if it was a currency that was backed by silver/gold/assets. The thing is, if you want to take some risk and put your money into oil funds, gold paper assets, you can and you will do ok (not lose too much money) if we face a scenario like changing over to the Euro. However, if we collapse like the Soviet Union expect your paper assets to evaporate or be taken. So either way, it would be a good idea to hedge your bets with some hard assets. Perhaps some silver spoons.

But hey, this is all off the cuff here. Just my first thoughts. To be able to answer this clearly, you should read more about the economy of Europe at the time of the transition to the Euro. How the Euro differs from the dollar, asset backing... The crash of the Soviet Union and their transition to new currencies. The soviet like instabilities in the US economy. And of course about the announced plans regarding the Amero and other peoples opinions on it...

A currency that we can use in multiple countries is not a bad idea and may work out well. What ever happens, the dollar is going down, so this might be a good out for the US and in the long run provide better stability for the US economy.
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Re: North American Union

Unread postby highlander » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 10:52:17

this week, I've seen two news bits refering to this plan. One was an alarmist thingy saying it will be a done deal by 2009. The other one was about the "planned" super highway. I found it disconcerting that they didn't even discuss the merits or legality of the highway. The talking points were the bypassing of ma and pa businesses and the foreign ownership of the toll roads.
The footage showed computer animations of the highway and film footage of bulldozers making roads.
You peakers in TX and other midwest states...Is the road being built?
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Re: North American Union

Unread postby Baldwin » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 14:05:48

If you are carrying a presidential dollar coin, you could be carrying the future amero!

Our coinage and paper currency has usually read dollar, half dollar, dollar etc.

The presidential dollar simply says $1. The "$" symbol is also used by the peso of mexico.
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Re: North American Union

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 16:26:28

re: North American Union

Human Events.com http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
North American Union to Replace USA? by Jerome R. Corsi

Trilateral Commission http://afgen.com/trilateral.html or
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=44965
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membership list: http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Tr ... embers.htm
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Re: North American Union

Unread postby Blacksmith » Thu 21 Jun 2007, 21:28:47

You all's would have to speak french and eat you're french fries with vinigar. eh.
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Re: North American Union

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 05 Jul 2007, 17:07:51

The Trilateral Commission entire item at: http://www.trilateral.org/about.htm The Trilateral Commission was formed in 1973 by private citizens of Japan, Europe (European Union countries), and North America (United States and Canada) to foster closer cooperation among these core democratic industrialized areas of the world with shared leadership responsibilities in the wider international system. Originally established for three years, our work has been renewed for successive triennia (three-year periods), most recently for a triennium to be completed in 2009. … Two strong convictions guide our thinking for the 2006-2009 triennium. First, the Trilateral Commission remains as important as ever in helping our countries fulfill their shared leadership responsibilities in the wider international system and, second, its framework needs to be widened to reflect broader changes in the world. Thus, the Japan Group has become a Pacific Asian Group, and Mexican members have been added to the North American Group. The European Group continues to widen in line with the enlargement of the EU. We are also continuing in this triennium our practice of inviting a number of participants from other key areas.
Membership list: http://www.trilateral.org/MEMB.HTM
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Re: North American Union

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Mon 09 Jul 2007, 01:25:09

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Re: North American Union

Unread postby Nickel » Mon 09 Jul 2007, 14:11:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'r')e: North American Union

Human Events.com http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
North American Union to Replace USA? by Jerome R. Corsi


Jerome's all sweaty President Bush is going to force a wicked North American union on him, is he? Well, he can sleep soundly. I can't speak for Mexico, but I can assure him the likelihood of Canadians agreeing to something like that is just slightly higher than that of all of us hacking off our legs with pickle forks and putting them under our pillows for the Legs Hacked Off With Pickle Forks Fairy. The US is a nice place to visit... or can be... but it's got waaaay too many issues these days for us to start crocheting stars to stitch on Old Glory... and what do we have to do with Mexico? They're the US's interesting neighbours, not ours.
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