[Johnston]

Saw a good opportunity recently to bring up PO on another forum.

Gawd, what a complete effing waste of time. I was subjected to disbelief and even abuse.

My advice; don't even bother trying to bring it up with the "normals". You will be faced with a brick wall of ignorance.

And the ones who take you seriously start talking about ethanol and biodiesel or the hydrogen economy.

And while I'm in rant/venting mode... the same goes for real life. Waste of time bringing it up in any way shape or form.

At times like this I actually long for PO, just so I can see these idiots sleeping in their SUV after the bank has repossesed their house.

[peripato]

Better to just focus on your own personal preparations, as it's too late to do anything about society in general. In fact an alert affecting too many people may be counterproductive, because it could cause the system to crash too soon and too hard, due to panic and loss of investor confidence, potentially scuttling your efforts in the ensuing anarchy. Good luck.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'S')aw a good opportunity recently to bring up PO on another forum.

Gawd, what a complete effing waste of time. I was subjected to disbelief and even abuse.

My advice; don't even bother trying to bring it up with the "normals". You will be faced with a brick wall of ignorance.

And the ones who take you seriously start talking about ethanol and biodiesel or the hydrogen economy.

And while I'm in rant/venting mode... the same goes for real life. Waste of time bringing it up in any way shape or form.

At times like this I actually long for PO, just so I can see these idiots sleeping in their SUV after the bank has repossesed their house.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sheb', 'I') think this type of experienc is the gist of the thread. I

[mmasters]

I think this kind of thing has become a rite of passage for all of us.

[NEOPO]

A good messenger finds the flaws within him or her own self.
If that does not make any sense then you are not a good messenger, educate yourself, prepare for their counter attacks, plan for them, practice grasshoppper and then kick mental assah!!!! OR......just quietly prepare, buy PO books, DVD's and heirloom seeds for christmas presents etc etc prepare anyways and hey maybe save a dumbass' life one fine post peak day

What else can a mofo do I ask you?

I mean, people are trying to explain a huge mega and usually "boring" subject to an audience in total disbelief as the "cure" to this "illness" strikes the very core of their hydrocarbon based being, or so they have been taught to believe.
Do you really feel "qualified" to spread the word? and what word are you spreading BTW?

How many barrels of oil does america use each day?
How many barrels of oil does US use each year?
How many barrels of gasoline does america use each day?
How many barrels of oil does the world use in a year?
What does URR mean?
What does EROEI mean and can you give us an example please?
What is energy density?
and 100 other things that any good PO messenger should be able to rattle fairly rapidly off the top of their head.

Those who do "hear" and "Get it" are gonna be in need of some help soon, some plan, something to reassure them and who can blame them. So if you do manage to "Free" some sheeple from their pods its a good idea to have ready made solutions on hand and to provide some direction.
So you are not only a messenger but also a healer of sorts if you can get them to see the positive and prepare that is......

Sometimes I start my conversation off with "I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, Peak Oil?" most people havent clue and so I go "no?" "never heard of it" and try to act surprised

Then I mention the internet and usually PO.COM and part with a "good luck friend" and a smile
Is there much more to be said to most people?
We have people here who are doing nothing, so does the knowledge of PO really matter or is it up to each individual to rise to the occassion come what may?

I feel differently about my friends and family and I feel sorry for them ahahah but I cannot sit quietly.

Dont you kinda get the sparing feeling here?
That is what I think we are doing really, cultivating good lil messengers or dying off trying

[Rogozhin]

That was one hell of an incoherant ramble NEOPO-I'd think you were bipolar if you made that linguistic

Rogo

[KrellEnergySource]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sheb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', ' ')He works 10-miles from here, yet will drive home for lunch just to check the mail and eat for 15 minutes.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'S')aw a good opportunity recently to bring up PO on another forum.

Gawd, what a complete effing waste of time. I was subjected to disbelief and even abuse.

My advice; don't even bother trying to bring it up with the "normals". You will be faced with a brick wall of ignorance.

And the ones who take you seriously start talking about ethanol and biodiesel or the hydrogen economy.

And while I'm in rant/venting mode... the same goes for real life. Waste of time bringing it up in any way shape or form.

At times like this I actually long for PO, just so I can see these idiots sleeping in their SUV after the bank has repossesed their house.

[Johnston]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', 'B')etter to just focus on your own personal preparations, as it's too late to do anything about society in general. In fact an alert affecting too many people may be counterproductive, because it could cause the system to crash too soon and too hard, due to panic and loss of investor confidence, potentially scuttling your efforts in the ensuing anarchy. Good luck.

[Micki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ometimes I start my conversation off with "I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, Peak Oil?" most people havent clue and so I go "no?" "never heard of it" and try to act surprised

[thuja]

One of my favorite places to check out is uber-conservative talk show host Sean Hannity's web site in the forum section. There's a guy named High Street who posts information on a thread called Peak Oil. The thread is over 50 pages long and is just chock full of info on peak oil... most of the gioons over there try to dismiss him with "its thousands of years off", or "abiotic oil" but the man is on a mission and just keeps rolling. Fun towatch even if only three or four people "get it" after reading him.

But yeah- its a waste of time...and it still baffles me why...I guess it takes long sustained crises to generate serious intelligent reasoning...

[AZpeaker]

The general public ought not know. We are the lucky ones. We have delt with the grief of our dying way of life. Now to prepare your neighbors, those who have skills you lack. Those who can help protect your lifeboat. Those are the discussions worth having over and over again.

Peace! Above all Peace!

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'I') have to wonder if there is much point in the general population knowing anyway.

[AZpeaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'I') have to wonder if there is much point in the general population knowing anyway.

[Waterthrush]

My experience is different, though ultimately no more productive, than most of you posting (maybe because read a lot of politically liberal boards and have family and friends who are generally pessimistic!) : I find that people have heard of Peak Oil, are receptive, are willing to talk about it - but they don't have a clue as to what to do and are not taking any actions.

And, it IS difficult to take action beyond the first few steps (get out of debt, etc., that apply to everyone). My widowed sister lives alone in 10 acres of woods with a small barn (and a too-big house). She is trying to sell and move into town. On the one hand, she has a nice spread. On the other, she drives 100 miles almost every day from choice checking on grandchildren, our parents, etc. I have talked with her and found her unwilling to plant a garden, raise some hens for eggs, etc. So in her case, the correct advice, I think, is to move back to where she is within easy distance of her family and stores.

And, it IS easier to look at others and advise, than to resolve one's own situation. Americans are so income-dependent. The big decision, about where to live, is almost always governed by where one has a job.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Waterthrush', '
')And, it IS difficult to take action beyond the first few steps (get out of debt, etc., that apply to everyone)

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AZpeaker', 'Y')ou point is well said. There will be shooting in the gas lines. The 70's shock foreshadowed that. Too harsh? Depends on the result of the conversation. Did the conversation end there?

[Waterthrush]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '
')Another one. Whats so bad with having debt, mind me asking?
Do you think the federal government/state police/local jamaican gang will send you to a labour camp/Iraq/ets for your student loans/credit card debt? May be you think it/they will not send you to a labour camp becouse you paid it off? For Christ sake people, grow up a little.

[some_guy282]

I don't see debt as such a terribly bad thing, because I anticipate that the economic shocks in the early stages of peak will consist of a high inflationary period where my debt will be inflated away. Since learning about Peak Oil I've actually put myself into a small amount of debt buying silver bullion on 0% interest credit cards. When the 0% period on those cards begins to run out, I apply for a new one with a different company, transfer the balance and cancel the old card. I started buying silver at $7 an ounce. It's in the $13 range now. If need be, I could sell a portion of my silver now to pay off all my debt and still have some silver left over as profit.

I don't expect owning silver alone to save me by any means, but I'd rather go into a period of crisis with a little wealth than not at all.