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A new America?

Unread postby americandream » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 23:34:50

Are we seeing the emergence of another America. Presumably some northerners may scoff, but I like the rhetoric..it's a nice departure from the likes of the exciteable/irrational/precocious northern MSM....

http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/2007/abril/ ... 16sur.html
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby oil4u » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 23:52:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')re we seeing the emergence of another America. Presumably some northerners may scoff, but I like the rhetoric..it's a nice departure from the likes of the exciteable/irrational/precocious northern MSM....

http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/2007/abril/ ... 16sur.html


I'm scoffing! Seems like this is the usual communist, "exciteable/irrational/precocious", tripe we always hear about.

"WHILE the empire promotes wars of aggression with the complicity and extreme apathy of the rich and industrialized North in order to guarantee via blood and fire the oil resources it needs to satiate its unbridled consumerist society"
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 00:10:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he issue, on the contrary, served to clarify positions and win supporters in the sense that, as the Bolivarian leader said, nobody is against ethanol; rather, they are against the U.S. president’s macabre idea of the mass conversion of the production of corn and other cereals and grains into biofuels for automobiles.


Yeah who do these people think they are anyways?!
Buncha pinko commie libertarian terrorists!!!
If we want to take little babies cereal and turn it into an ethanol tit for our cars by God we'll do it!
Why we'll bomb em back to the frickin stone age I tell ya!
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A new americuh...
Does this mean we get to repeat the last 230+ years or so?
Can we own slaves again and return to the good ole days or better yet, lets just go all the way back to serfdom and prima noctra!
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby americandream » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 02:14:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil4u', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')re we seeing the emergence of another America. Presumably some northerners may scoff, but I like the rhetoric..it's a nice departure from the likes of the exciteable/irrational/precocious northern MSM....

http://www.granma.cu/INGLES/2007/abril/ ... 16sur.html


I'm scoffing! Seems like this is the usual communist, "exciteable/irrational/precocious", tripe we always hear about.

"WHILE the empire promotes wars of aggression with the complicity and extreme apathy of the rich and industrialized North in order to guarantee via blood and fire the oil resources it needs to satiate its unbridled consumerist society"


Do you realise that the word "communism" is a variation on "community"....you know...a macro collection of collectives pooling common resources for collective ends?

If the idea is incapable of working on a macro level post peak, then any isolated versions will simply be food stores for roving bands of the fittest.

The choices are limited.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby Rafa » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 07:59:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'A')re we seeing the emergence of another America.


Some people like to laugh at Hugo Chavez ideas; however, they shouldn't, despite all odds against him, he has the ability to change the odds and make his ideas come true.

Some people laughed and said it was impossible to unite Latin America in a block able to face equal to equal the USA, European Union, Russia or China.
That is, however, happening. It now has a name, UNASUR.

The European Union built itself around steel and coal; UNASUR will build around natural gaz and oil; but UNASUR has also a united cultural background, contrary to Europe, so UNASUR has potential to become not onyl an economic power, but also a unified cultural and political power, more similar to China or Russia than European Union (which politically and culturally is just a satellite of the USA)
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby canis_lupus » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 14:43:15

UNASUR

UNA = one

SUR = South

It seems to me like they picked a name that would translate well into English.

Great PR move on their part.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby highlander » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 15:56:09

RE:Chavez changing the odds.....I think that is why he is called a dictator

RE:Economic power of SA union. It must be great, as there are millions still heading north (granted, most from central america)

RE: military capabilities of SA Union, way less than Iraq was

Corporations own most of SA assets. They don't much care what country or union flag flies over them

as for the regression into slavery and serfdom, Don't collect a paycheck for two months and see what you have.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby americandream » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 22:17:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'R')E:Chavez changing the odds.....I think that is why he is called a dictator

RE:Economic power of SA union. It must be great, as there are millions still heading north (granted, most from central america)

RE: military capabilities of SA Union, way less than Iraq was

Corporations own most of SA assets. They don't much care what country or union flag flies over them

as for the regression into slavery and serfdom, Don't collect a paycheck for two months and see what you have.


One cannot simply pick and choose in making a political point. In those countries with zilch welfare support in Central America (many of which were/are staunch US allies), the refugee crisis is of epidemic proportions.

In contrast, those that provide some degree of decent care are less likely to have this problem. After all every country has a refugee problem in varying degrees...my New Zealand seaside town's recent demographic changes stand as testimony to the numbers of political/environmental refugees from the US.

Government is all about reasonably MITIGATING life's problems (as opposed to exascerbating them) so as to ensure a reasonably stable world....we haven't has yet found a cure for the human condition.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby UFCjunkie » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 22:46:27

I don't want to faye the american people with this post!

But hell yea I see a new america coming or ought I say a old america.

I see the the old american way is coming back to rule the nation. I see people starting to live on the land again and those who can't just aint gonna make it for long.

I see a strong human grows back in the nature and he is going to be viscous and ruthless to those who are trying to stay in the "modern world" but with no oil. Who's gonna win that fight?

I'm not on the white peoples side, I'm not on the black peoples side, I'm not on the Indians side.....I'm on the humans side. I vote for the humans! What ever coulor, coulor is just an adjustment to there nature not a class act for F sake! I'm white by the way...and I think we are all the same, we are all one!
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby americandream » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 23:11:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UFCjunkie', 'I') don't want to faye the american people with this post!

But hell yea I see a new america coming or ought I say a old america.

I see the the old american way is coming back to rule the nation. I see people starting to live on the land again and those who can't just aint gonna make it for long.

I see a strong human grows back in the nature and he is going to be viscous and ruthless to those who are trying to stay in the "modern world" but with no oil. Who's gonna win that fight?

I'm not on the white peoples side, I'm not on the black peoples side, I'm not on the Indians side.....I'm on the humans side. I vote for the humans! What ever coulor, coulor is just an adjustment to there nature not a class act for F sake! I'm white by the way...and I think we are all the same, we are all one!


This white black thing is quite simply...a scam. It's a handy way for justifying ripping off the other guy with a clean conscience and is not dissimilar to class and gender except colour is a darn sight more easy to package.

Now whether the United States will revert to its past of community, small-holding, then ranching, then big business and then the current impasse with gross racism and class manipulation thrown in is something only a crystal ball gazer can predict.

On the other hand, whether we want a world in which we can live sustainably, comfortably, modestly and in community with our fellow humans with a modicum of the results of the fruits of our ingenuity to make the 3 score and 10 as pleasant as possible is within our grasp.

I would prefer to agitate for a caring and less consumerist obsessed society...what may in fact happen I leave to the crystal ball gazers.

In conclusion, the path that America follows may not necessarly be the one that the United States traverses.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby Rafa » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 12:34:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('canis_lupus', 'U')NASUR

UNA = one

SUR = South

It seems to me like they picked a name that would translate well into English.

Great PR move on their part.


Well, it is officially "Union de NAciones SURamericanas" (Union of Southamerican Nations); but yes, the name was choosen to carry meaning out of itself too ("one south", "united south") and that could be pronounced like a noun, rather than a quite meaningless string of letters.
Chavez himself put a lot of emphasis on that in his speeches, and bashed strongly against some of the previous name proposals; he wanted a name people could feel as their own, and not just a technocrat acronym.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 02 May 2007, 20:38:01

The picture of Hugo Chavez exudes the smell of sulfur.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby pana_burda » Fri 14 Sep 2007, 23:35:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell, it is officially "Union de NAciones SURamericanas" (Union of Southamerican Nations); but yes, the name was choosen to carry meaning out of itself too ("one south", "united south") and that could be pronounced like a noun, rather than a quite meaningless string of letters.


"Union" could be a TRICKY word, most of the times. We could be "united" among ourselves orrr ..... we could be united just to "somebody".

Knowing first hand the "bird by its feathers" and taking into consideration the link down bellow, it is very easy to figure out what the concept of "union" has hugo in mind and what is HIS "political" weapon to achieve it.

(the part where he outlines those HUGE resources THIS country has got down beneath, how long they are supposed to last for and for how many of those other countries that product is supposed to be more than enough to reach out and give its miracleous "magic touch")

http://english.eluniversal.com/2007/04/ ... 7901.shtml

mmmm ...... did I hear the new "emperor" for the "new" america, ..... somewhere, uhh?
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 15 Sep 2007, 13:44:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UFCjunkie', 'I') see a strong human grows back in the nature and he is going to be viscous and ruthless to those who are trying to stay in the "modern world" but with no oil. Who's gonna win that fight?



Why does this "strong human" need to be vicious and ruthless? Why can't he help the other person transition to another way of life?


Of course, as not one of the strong, I feel threatened by the ideas you express there. I like to think I'm growing back to nature, as you put it, but I don't see why this needs to be vicious and ruthless.


But I'm one of those naive, cute bunnies and birdies, flower-loving treehugger types. :roll:
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby UFCjunkie » Thu 01 Nov 2007, 15:16:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UFCjunkie', 'I') see a strong human grows back in the nature and he is going to be viscous and ruthless to those who are trying to stay in the "modern world" but with no oil. Who's gonna win that fight?



Why does this "strong human" need to be vicious and ruthless? Why can't he help the other person transition to another way of life?


Of course, as not one of the strong, I feel threatened by the ideas you express there. I like to think I'm growing back to nature, as you put it, but I don't see why this needs to be vicious and ruthless.


But I'm one of those naive, cute bunnies and birdies, flower-loving treehugger types. :roll:

I believe that this "strong human" will be vicious because it will be survival of the fittest. And as we all know we are over populated so help the other persons in the transition would only making it harder for your own crew/tribe. Vicious will be a winner over treehuger, warriors is what you need to surround you with, fearless warriors.

When I read your posts it seems like you are on your own AND that you are a girl...if this is true I think you have to get together with a tribe, crew whatever you want to call it. You wont survive alone, no mather how much you love flowers and trees. At best maybe they who take all that you got take you in to be one with their crew, at worst they just rape and kill you.

Nobody is strong alone, that's just crazy. The time of being alone is over, those who think they can live on a farm will not last long without the police and army, there best chance is to sit tight in there sniper tower/bunker 24/7 and be on the lookout for the tribes that WILL come and take what they need and kill the rest. Tribes will rake all of the land with horses and sooner or later they find your cabin or whatever. There is no escape from the new world, eather you adapt or you simply will die, how soon depends but there's no escape.

I think this will happen all over the world but in US (where there's a couple of millions of natives that are allready familiar with living in nature who want their land back) is going to be more slaughter then the rest of the world, but what do I know, I can just imagine some of those peoples hate and vengeance. When there's no army or police to hold those back...slaughter is all I can think of. Yeah, yeah I know you americans got big guns and alot of em' too, don't worry, you will need them. Just to bad they wont make more bullets, maybe you will die old on your farm but your kids gonna run out of bullets, and they will face the pain. And you can't always sit in your bunker 24/7, they will get you one way or another.

All I'm trying to say is get your self a crew! It will be the key to survival, alone you are doomed for sure no mather how much guns and ammo you got. A tribe with a small army of warriors who protect their women and children and provides them with food. These warriors can start with guns but they eventually have to start using bows, spears and other selfmade weapons from the nature. And ofcourse horses for transportation.

I have not posted here in a while and I think I have to ad for those who read this that all I write is my thinking and how I see the future, its no predictions or I'm not telling everyone how it's going to be, just how I think it will be...but I also hope/wish. How it's folds we have to wait and see. Good luck everyone! May the best/strongest humans bring our race further.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby pana_burda » Fri 02 Nov 2007, 20:38:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he European Union built itself around steel and coal; UNASUR will build around natural gaz and oil; but UNASUR has also a united cultural background.


Sorry to be such a party booper here but ....... there it goes your "UNASUR" down the drain!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')razilian State oil firm Petrobras refused to participate in offshore gas project Mariscal Sucre, which is likely to become the source of the gas to be conveyed through the Southern Gas Pipeline[/b].

The possibilityto export some 17 Million cubic feet of gas-half the production-from Mariscal Sucre to Brazil was considered. Brazil then voiced doubts about the certified gas reserves in the project- which has been under planning for more than 15 years. Venezuela in the past held talks to undertake the project with Shell, Mitsubishi and even Quatar Petroleum. .


http://english.eluniversal.com/2007/11/ ... 8603.shtml

Seems the puppet himself couldn´t cheet his long time brazilian buddies into the project, either!.

FYI, Brazil is the economic and industrial "horse" that pulls MOST the south american "cart" ahead yet has no cultural ties with the rest of south america, since it was "conquered" by Portugal.

For hugo, this setback and the biofuels issue, are unbearable lead under his political "wings" and his flight has nowhere to go but right back down to earth and crash ......... along with this poor oily "rich"country ........ [smilie=new_microwave.gif]
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby Rafa » Sun 18 Nov 2007, 17:11:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pana_burda', 'S')orry to be such a party booper here but ....... there it goes your "UNASUR" down the drain!


No "pana", Brazil may still be undecided and wanting to play alone; but others are coming and joining in, ALBA is growing; not so long ago it was only Venezuela and Cuba, and people like you were ridiculizing it; now the ALBA are 5 core countries, Telesur are 7 countries; Petrocaribe are all the caribbean nations but two; the bank of the south is becoming a reality.

It took almost 40 years for the European Union to become significant internationally and united; it is going much faster in Latin America.
Of course, as long as your sources of "information" are El Universal and Globovision, you won't be aware of that.
Oh, it's true, you still believe there wasn't a coup in 2002 but a "power vacuum". Well, don't care, continue in your fantasy dream.
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Re: A new America?

Unread postby pana_burda » Sat 01 Dec 2007, 21:24:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o "pana", Brazil may still be undecided and wanting to play alone; but others are coming and joining in, ALBA is growing


He!

You can make that "train" all the wagons large you like. Without the "engine" it would NOT go too far ahead, would it?
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