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Under-age Drinking Enforcement

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Should the government try to sting store for selling alcohol to minors?

Yes. It's important for the health and safety of the community
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Undecided
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No. It's just more nanny government silliness.
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Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:22:12

So I walked up to one of the local convenience stores yesterday. There's all these scary looking government advisory signs all over the door. At first glance you think the place tested positive for E-Bola and is under quarantine. One closer inspection you learn that they were the victim of a government sting and sold beer to the minor. (Undoubtedly the same person they keep putting on the posters about how meth makes you look 60 even though you're only 17.) So the government is yanking their beer license even though they fired the employee that made the sale. I talked to the clerk and they're afraid they're going to have to close the store.

A friend of mine had some people over celebrating after her daughter's wedding last summer. They're sitting around the fire having a good time. All of a sudden a bunch of swat team ninjas burst out of the darkness, surround them, and demand to see everyones ID's. This mind you is on private property way out in the boonies. Not like they were disturbing anyone. The ninjas claim they got a "tip" that there was underage drinking going on. After interrogating them and checking everyone's ID's, they find that in fact they are all over 21, so the ninjas skulk back off into the darkness.

Seems to me this is just another fictious problem for everyone to get their panties in a wad about. I guess I don't think it should necessarily be legal for minors to buy alcohol. I can see the problem if all the teens were getting all tanked up outside the qwickie mart every afternoon after school. Do we really need enforcement teams going around trying to trick the store clerks and invading people's land searching for alcohol infractions? If you're worried about your kid drinking, isn't that a parent problem? How is it suddenly the job of the police and the store clerk to keep your kid from drinking?
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby Newsseeker » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:24:40

Usually the underage people just get an adult to buy it for them so stings would have a limited effect on only a handful of shady businesses and the overall problem would remain unaddressed.
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:52:32

This is just an excuse SPG.
A reason to take away what little may be left of our rights.

Like the belief that the government shut down moonshiners because the brew can sometimes turn poisonous.
Yes every good moonshiner wants nothing more then to kill off their customers....

I could just rant all day long but I wont :)
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby Twilight » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 15:58:41

It sounds like an appalling waste of resources.

Does anyone have any anecdotal evidence of this activity peaking at the end of the financial year? The pressure is on to spend those tax dollars...
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby Baldwin » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 18:06:14

An amazing country...

Driving begins at 16 for most, 14 for a few.
A rifle can be owned by a 16 yr old in my state (NY)
A 17 yr old can enlist
Marriage can occur between the ages of 16-18
You can smoke at 18
You can vote at 18...

But you still can't have a drink? You can be married, in the army, a smoker, and a registered voter (and taxpayer), but God help you if you drink a glass of scotch.
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby dinopello » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 18:55:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', 'U')sually the underage people just get an adult to buy it for them so stings would have a limited effect on only a handful of shady businesses and the overall problem would remain unaddressed.


You are insane if you buy for an underage as it could be a sting and it will ruin your life.

The drunk driving rational at least I understand as a mother-reaction to the horrible statistics - that are based more on the problem of driving than the drunkeness, IMO.

But its illegal for me to walk down the street with a single open can of beer, yet it is legal for me to sit in the passenger seat with one.

The ABC are really harsh. They will bust a server in a restaurant who comes outside the "roped-off" section (an illegal act) of an outdoor cafe to serve beer to someone at a table inside the "roped-off" section because it is easier to navigate.

I know this is about under-age but it is the whole attitude about beer that is the issue.
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby dukey » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 19:46:15

u can smoke at 16 here and drink at 18 in pubs
but you can smoke and drink when younger in your own home
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby kochevnik » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 22:16:33

The govt has NO BUSINESS 'stinging' anyone.

It used to be called entrapment.

The police are completely out of control since they got their new teenage mutant ninja turtle uniforms - no knock raids, stings, checkpoints etc.

And yet, faced with a real emergency like Va Tech, where they should be saving lives, they cower in the bushes like scared rabbits. Not my job, they say.

Then what the fuck good are they exactly, other than as sources of revenue (fines, fees, penalties, taxes) ?
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Re: Under-age Drinking Enforcement

Unread postby Hawkcreek » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 22:41:15

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