Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Dollar crash $ hits 26 year low

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Dollar crash $ hits 26 year low

Unread postby KevO » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 06:02:23

maybe not good news for the US but worse for the UK and Europe as this could start the strongly forecast house price slide/crash
see

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6562743.stm
Last edited by KevO on Wed 18 Apr 2007, 07:42:37, edited 1 time in total.
KevO
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2775
Joined: Tue 24 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: CT USA

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby TorrKing » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 06:15:18

Just checked on google, one USD is worth less than 6 NOK. I have never seen that happen before!
User avatar
TorrKing
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 717
Joined: Thu 24 Nov 2005, 04:00:00
Location: The ever shrinking wilds of Norway

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby dukey » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 06:44:35

this has been LONG expected
all the smart money has moved in gold/euros already
It was even in the news that Cheney did this ..

But yeah, i suspect someone has been on a printing frenzy. Stopping publishing the M3 money supply report was a bit of a give away :p
User avatar
dukey
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2248
Joined: Sun 20 Feb 2005, 04:00:00

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby scienceteacher » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 09:44:09

The money has barely even started to move into Silver or Gold yet - even though they are both up hugely on just two years ago.

When when the money really starts moving into these metals through numerous ETFs and direct buying then Gold will be $2000+ and Silver $40+.

That will be the time to sell !
User avatar
scienceteacher
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 70
Joined: Thu 06 Apr 2006, 03:00:00

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby mmasters » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 10:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('scienceteacher', 'T')he money has barely even started to move into Silver or Gold yet - even though they are both up hugely on just two years ago.

When when the money really starts moving into these metals through numerous ETFs and direct buying then Gold will be $2000+ and Silver $40+.

That will be the time to sell !

:wink:
User avatar
mmasters
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2272
Joined: Sun 16 Apr 2006, 03:00:00
Location: Mid-Atlantic

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby Lore » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:13:29

Yes, but the US Stock Market is edging to an all time high today.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby Newsseeker » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:15:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'Y')es, but the US Stock Market is edging to an all time high today.


I have believed for quite some time now that the stock market does not reflect either the economy or reality.
Newsseeker
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1126
Joined: Thu 12 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby Lore » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:22:48

The reason for the bump today in the market is that U.S. core inflation dipped in March and groundbreaking for new homes rose slightly. The economy is continuing to demonstrated its ability to keep growing without generating surging prices.

Looking forward, what will scure these numbers is rising food, and energy prices. I still give Joe public 18 months to realize "there is something rotten in Denmark" (since by then we will have no money to pay for the cheese spoiling on the docks of Copenhagen).
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby sjn » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:33:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'Y')es, but the US Stock Market is edging to an all time high today.


I have believed for quite some time now that the stock market does not reflect either the economy or reality.

Sure it does - just not in the way you're thinking...
User avatar
sjn
Elite
Elite
 
Posts: 1332
Joined: Wed 09 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: UK

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:34:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'Y')es, but the US Stock Market is edging to an all time high today.


I have believed for quite some time now that the stock market does not reflect either the economy or reality.


If you take both of these stories in tandem, then it's apparent that the stock market is effectively standing still, regardless if it's hitting record highs.
"It's called the American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe it."

George Carlin
User avatar
emersonbiggins
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 5150
Joined: Sun 10 Jul 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Dallas
Top

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby Eli » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:40:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he reason for the bump today in the market is that U.S. core inflation dipped in March and groundbreaking for new homes rose slightly. The economy is continuing to demonstrated its ability to keep growing without generating surging prices.

Looking forward, what will scure these numbers is rising food, and energy prices. I still give Joe public 18 months to realize "there is something rotten in Denmark" (since by then we will have no money to pay for the cheese spoiling on the docks of Copenhagen).


The stock traders only think about today and not tomorrow.

The US CPI and the internal US growth is all we here in regards to what the Fed is likely to do about interest rates.

Personally I think this is huge mistake the Fed will be forced to raise rates on the dollar to prevent its further slide. This regardless of the BS US inflation rate.

US inflation is not bad when you ignore fuel costs and food? Yeah I am glad people don't have to buy food and gas, the amount of BS is staggering.
User avatar
Eli
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 3709
Joined: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 03:00:00
Location: In a van down by the river
Top

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby topcat » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 12:48:16

When talking about the market at all time highs, the point I always to remember is that if you are talking about the DOW, you are talking about 30 or so stocks ONLY. Not sure of how many are represented in most of the other indices of which there are a bunch.

To top it off, every now and then, for what reason I don't know, "they" will remove a stock or two and replace them with other(s). Kinda reminds you of the govt boogering with the CPI.
User avatar
topcat
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 626
Joined: Wed 01 Feb 2006, 04:00:00
Location: Northern US

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby Lore » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 13:03:13

The problem with the exchanges is that they are suppose to be forward looking, but generally only respond to past data in a big way. I believe most traders are taking a short position.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
... Theodore Roosevelt
User avatar
Lore
Fission
Fission
 
Posts: 9021
Joined: Fri 26 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: Fear Of A Blank Planet

Re: $ hits 26 year low

Unread postby KevO » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 07:43:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Pound reaches 26-year dollar high
UK pound vs US dollar since 2000
Sterling has continued to climb against the US dollar, moving above $2.01 - the highest rate since June 1981.

The currency broke through the $2 level on Tuesday after unexpectedly high UK inflation figures indicated further UK interest rate rises were likely.

The Bank of England is widely expected to raise rates to 5.5% on 10 May and at least once more later in the year.

The dollar is also at two-year lows against the euro and 17-year lows against the Australian dollar.

One dollar was worth 0.735 euros and 1.195 Australian dollars.

Inflationary threats

The pound was strengthened further by the release of the minutes of the Bank of England's last interest rate meeting at which two of the nine members voted for an immediate rate rise.


Five and ten pound note

Pound/dollar exchange rate

Official figures also showed that average earnings rose 4.6% in the three months to February, which is the fastest rate for almost three years.

The Bank of England is concerned that the current rate of inflation will encourage workers to press for higher wage settlements, which would create more inflation.

The Office for National Statistics points out that the rise in average earnings came entirely from bonuses, but those can still be inflationary.

'Most pronounced'

"Sterling's rise above $2 is a consequence of both sterling strength and dollar weakness," said Howard Archer, an economist at Global Insight.
KevO
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 2775
Joined: Tue 24 May 2005, 03:00:00
Location: CT USA
Top

Re: $ hits 26 year low

Unread postby TorrKing » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 07:54:57

Isn't really dollar vs. whatever currency not really truely descriptive to the situation, since they are all fiat currencies and also do suffer?

So while the dollar moves down more than the other currencies, they are really all dropping in value, but it isn't measurable as there isn't something to compare them with.

Wouldn't dollar vs. gold value be a better figure? At least if the gold market wasn't manipulated...
User avatar
TorrKing
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 717
Joined: Thu 24 Nov 2005, 04:00:00
Location: The ever shrinking wilds of Norway

Re: $ hits 26 year low

Unread postby Newsseeker » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 09:09:17

An all-time low for the dollar would be good for exports except that we have nothing to export.....
Newsseeker
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1126
Joined: Thu 12 May 2005, 03:00:00

Re: $ hits new low

Unread postby FoxV » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 16:31:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', 'T')he reason for the bump today in the market is that U.S. core inflation dipped in March and groundbreaking for new homes rose slightly. The economy is continuing to demonstrated its ability to keep growing without generating surging prices.


I love hearing stuff like that. New homes starts go up and everyone says "hooray". Meanwhile, foreclosures are skyrocketing, New listings are through the roof, and sales are falling off a cliff. Just because an idiot contractor is building a new home doesn't mean anybody is going to live in it

What do you do when you're digging a hole and find you can't get out, dig faster.

as for the economy not generating surging prices, that's because there are limitless ways to fudge inflation data. Shadowstats has inflation at 10% and M3 money supply almost hitting 12%.
Angry yet?
FoxV
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1321
Joined: Wed 02 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Canada
Top


Return to Economics & Finance

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron