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THE Webster Tarpley Thread (merged)

Unread postby AlCzervik » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 21:47:29

This isn't anything we haven't heard before, but it it is really painful to watch because Tarpley otherwise seems like a pretty smart guy (yes, I know he's an old Larouchie). He just thinks peak oil is essentially an excuse to enforce dollar hegemony. Ugh, in the middle he claims good economic policy helps food supply and slows down population growth as prosperous people enter the middle class. Tarpley really resents Malthusian thinking. These guys need to understand Malthus wasn't wrong, he was just wrong on his timing. Anyway, poor Webster really falls apart in the last half of this going to the abiotic stuff, but he does make an interesting case that the 1970's oil crisis was manufactured to help dollar strength. Does anyone know who this space cadet is interviewing him? link
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 23:23:54

The problem people have with understanding peak oil is they tend toward an either/or theory. The geological theory, focusses one eye on diminishing reserves and is blind to the politcal impetus driving artificial or manufactured supply constraints. The political theory is blind to the geology behind the flurry of political activity that would certainly accompany any natural resource in the last days of it's decline.

Peak oil tends to produce monocular vision, or blinkered thinking. Both theories have to be processed simultaneously, with binocular vision. The picture tends to be much fuzzier, but likely truer to the reality.
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby Armageddon » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 00:23:11

Tarpley is friends with Jeff Rense , and Rense in friends with Alex Jones. They all three know 911 was an inside job, but have failed to connect the dots to PO. They do not understand that PO is not about running out of oil. Peaking and running out are two different things. Jones says he knows about wells that have been capped, but doesn't realize when a well takes more energy to produce the oil than the oil is worth , they cap it. Just my .02
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 01:02:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')gh, in the middle he claims good economic policy helps food supply and slows down population growth as prosperous people enter the middle class.


This actually has some truth to it.

A basic sociological fact is that those living in poverty in 2nd and 3rd world nations reproduce in greater numbers because children are economic assets. They can help bring money into the home or farm land. Once a family becomes part of the middle class, the kids will generally get some form of education, healthcare, ect., and then they become economic burdens. Therefore, those living in 1st world nations with large numbers of middle lass tend to have less children, often even less than 1.8 children for every two parents.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby Newsseeker » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 10:54:01

It does make some sensse but I have yet to hear a good refutation of peak oil. The best attempts simply use inflated numbers to put the peak around 2040/50 and then talk about nonexistent alternatives. The man has saving graces but to deny peak oil is to deny something of massive importance.
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby SevenTen » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 11:15:30

Webster and Alex would be good allies, don't know about Rense.

So. What's the deal with Webster and Alex? They won't enter a debate and allow their minds to be opened?

Maybe we should contact them and have them get involved here.
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby SevenTen » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 11:42:38

Maybe it could begin with something like:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lex, you are guilty of the same cowardly thinking that prevents your listeners from seeing the truth about the New World Order and 911.

You can see these things are true, the evidence of it is all around you, and you are angered, enraged, and frustrated when other people cannot.

Now you know how we feel.

The things you are bringing to light regarding the NWO and 911 Truth are all important, accurate, and verifiable, but there's something else just as important, accurate, and verifiable that you need to be aware of.

If you are really, truly interested in helping people escape their shackles, wake up, empower themselves, then you need to make the time to first understand, then discuss and debate the phenomenon of the peaking of oil.

Otherwise, you are nothing more than an agent of the system yourself, protesting too much.

Maybe Matt Savinar could forward something like this to Webster and Alex.

Alex seems like a smart guy, Webster too. If they cannot grasp this (or are unwilling to grasp this), then there is something wrong with their pictures.
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby Twilight » Mon 16 Apr 2007, 16:10:49

Wow.

I'm part of a Big Oil conspiracy? [smilie=icon_surprised.gif]

Kewl. [smilie=icon_biggrin.gif]
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Re: Peak Oil Fraud by Webster Tarpley.

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 17 Apr 2007, 13:31:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SevenTen', 'M')aybe it could begin with something like:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lex, you are guilty of the same cowardly thinking that prevents your listeners from seeing the truth about the New World Order and 911.

You can see these things are true, the evidence of it is all around you, and you are angered, enraged, and frustrated when other people cannot.

Now you know how we feel.

The things you are bringing to light regarding the NWO and 911 Truth are all important, accurate, and verifiable, but there's something else just as important, accurate, and verifiable that you need to be aware of.

If you are really, truly interested in helping people escape their shackles, wake up, empower themselves, then you need to make the time to first understand, then discuss and debate the phenomenon of the peaking of oil.

Otherwise, you are nothing more than an agent of the system yourself, protesting too much.

Maybe Matt Savinar could forward something like this to Webster and Alex.

Alex seems like a smart guy, Webster too. If they cannot grasp this (or are unwilling to grasp this), then there is something wrong with their pictures.


I'm a big fan of Alex, except when he starts talkiing about PO. In fact, I routinely stream his show while doing the LATOC news updates.

I emailed him 3 times after his 2006 article "PO is a fraud" but he never responded.

His problem is confirmation bias. His entire career and social network is based around a political model, the basic idea being "we need to get rid of the globalists and get back to the constitution."

That model - really, a map when you think about it - is good enough that Alex gets things right 80% plus of the time. This is infinitely better than the MSM.

His brain can't let him consciously understand this stuff or it will shatter the map that has led him to a great deal of social notoreity.
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The U.S. Banking System: Too Big To Bail Out-W. Tarpley Vid.

Unread postby roccman » Wed 29 Aug 2007, 21:01:05

http://www.gunsandbutter.net/ The U.S. Banking System: Too Big To Bail Out
Interview with economic historian and author, Webster Tarpley, on the global financial crisis. We discuss his new 17-page article, Helicopter Ben Unleashes Hyper-Inflation, including the bailout of Wall Street, inflation, demise of the dollar, derivatives, hedge funds, the plunge protection team, commodities as the next "bubble", and what we should do. Tarpley is author of Surviving the Cataclysm, A Study of the World Financial Crisis (Your Guide Through the Greatest Financial Crisis in Human History). He is also author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the U.S.A.; Against Oligarchy; and co-author of George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography. Email him at tarpley@tarplet.net. Visit his website at http://www.tarpley.net.
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