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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 13 Apr 2007, 19:35:52

We all know the answer to the real problem yet most are in denial.

Like many who came before me I respect the "Veil" and do not desire to name it, label it, give it a sex, a place or otherwise attempt to define, limit or "lift it".
The words we use to describe "it" are just "tools" that can be and often times are misused.

The goal is balance, to find our way back to the fulcrum and now that we have gone so far out to one side of the limb reaching back to the goal is going to be quite a feat to say the least yet I have no doubt that regardless of what may come the journey will continue.

Ultimately I believe if you believe then it is so thus careful what you wish for 8)
These thoughts "drive" some people crazy huh?
I dont think so, I think they were already insane to begin with :lol:
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby aldente » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 00:34:07

Good morning,
she= reality
the old man=god
yourself= the one sipping on the coffee mug
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby manu » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 01:56:02

You need to do some soul searching. Find out who you really are. Then you can start to find the way out of this virtual reality that all of us are in. You are in the material world but belong in the spiritual world.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby Narz » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 02:32:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', 'G')uys and girls, there are not to many days and years left until the grid goes down and we in 90% pop dieoff and stone age forever.

That's the type of shit that makes everything think I'm an r-tard when I tell them I believe in peak oil.

As for life, the universe and the meaning of everything. I think life is what you make it. The more you stress over it the more annoying it becomes. Look at animals, contented 90% of the time. Only stressed when the situation calls for it. Resilient.

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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby Commanding_Heights » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 23:41:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', '[')b]Commanding_Heights, I can understand exactly what you are saying and the point you are trying to get across, however YOU do not have sufficient understanding of the problem I am talking about, or you won't have used that irrelevant 'hammer' analogy.


Actually I did manage to make it through your posts (yawn) which sounded just like the stupid diatribe I went into, on my first mushroom trip at the age of sixteen... Everything made sense... Nothing made sense... Everything matters... Nothing matters... Am I real or just an illusion? Am I a dream of something greater? Did that tree just speak to me???

The title of your post is "Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO".

1. NO ONE here can answer your questions much less solve them. It's a philosophical question that 1,000,000 would give you 1,000,000 different answers to.

2. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM! Peak oil is a problem. Pollution is a problem. Global Warming is a problem. Extinction is a problem. Overshoot is a problem. Depleted soil is a problem. Crime is a problem. Get the picture?

Does anything matter? Am I real or is it just an illusion, is NOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN PO.

The so called "irrelevant 'hammer' analogy" was meant to mirror how irrelevant your post is to the reality of PO. It's not your psycho-babble that pisses me off it's the fact that you want to claim your nihilistic/zero ontology philosophical question is a bigger problem than PO. And BTW, while I was typing the hammer analogy what I was really wondering was, how come the people who subscribe to "everything is an illusion" don't stick a gun to their head, say F it and pull the trigger, since nothing is real. Obviously something is holding them back. Could it be reality? Or Profit? Or the reality of profit?

Speaking of reality, I'd love for you to come back and let me know how much these questions matter when PO hits and you have a "problem" putting food on the table. Let me know how "real" that feels when the physical overtakes the philosophical.

All anyone here can answer is, you live, and you die. As far as spirituality/philosophy goes, that's a personal belief system. Once again (...wait for it...) IT IS NOT A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN PO. Although it can be validly argued that it's a needed tool to help you get through PO. But that wasn't your point was it?

I was almost impressed when you mentioned Evolutionary Darwinism but after reading what you followed it up with it's obvious you don't understand it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I')'m not trying to "dis" you...

But...did Pa Ingals worry about what the "core" reason of life was?




The core reason of "life" is quite simply. Evolutionary Darwinism most perfectly explains it already, its no big secret or mystery. The core essence of EXISTENCE however is something else altogether...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'I')'m not trying to "dis" you...

No...He just struggled for him & his family to survive. That is all.





Also no 'dis' from me either... but that kind of thinking is exactly what got 'us' into this PO, POP overshoot mess in the first place...


If you understood Evolutionary Darwinism and Evolutionary Psychology then you'd know that it's not thinking, it's the selfish gene that got us into this mess. PO is absolute proof of that.

The following is taken from “The Moral Animal":

In the late 1950's an early sixties, the social scientist Erving Goffman made a stir with the book called "The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life", which stressed how much time we all spend on stage, playing to one audience or another, striving for effect. (i.e. your post) But there is a difference between us and many other performers in the animal kingdom. Whereas the female Photuris (Photuris = a female firefly that mimics the mating flash of females in the genus Photinus to attract a Photinus male and eat him) is, presumably, under no illusion as to it's true identity, human beings have a way of being taken in by their acts.

[/end quote from The Moral Animal]

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', ' ')PO is the big picture. But we still haven't found the biggest picture of all. Let define the ultimate question in order to solve the ultimate mystery!!

To start off,

maybe descartes was wrong and I think does not equal therefore I am. Maybe like the ZERO ONTOLOGY says, NOTHING EXISTS AT ALL!, Despite it all, simply said, NOTHING IS REAL. There is no problem or solution!


Only the human species would squander and destroy all the precious and wonderful things that have been given to us, then ponder stupid crap like:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', ' ')NOTHING EXISTS AT ALL!, Despite it all, simply said, NOTHING IS REAL. There is no problem or solution!

As such, it is absolutely undefined and unlimited possibility -- boundless possibility. There is no compulsion and no law. It is boundless freedom.

no you PO people are seeing an illusion, its not OIL, its ZERO/+Imaginary/+One

For if the 'I' is a mere illusion and not real, then surely it wasn't 'I' that chose to be born, and it wasn't 'I' that chose to live this life and experience this 'illusion' and it wasn't 'I' that is thinking this thought! 'I' am not responsible for misidentifying with the illusion, it was forced upon me by a sadistic and cruel 'creator'/universe!


Pure crap!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', ' ')If I was an animal I'd live and die free


You are and you can. Not suggesting you do so. I'm just proving once again that the people who espouse this crap don't fully buy into it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', ' ')No matter how bad I fail, perfection is still and always perfect. I am content in that fact.

Perfection doesn't exist. It's just a personal opinion.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', 'M')aybe you should understand the context of what I am talking about before opening thy mouth.

The problem is you don't understand what you're talking about. You babble on and on trying to deconstruct life and the universe not even stopping to realize that it's beyond you.

The difference between reality and illusion is as simple as true and false. Reality equals true and illusion equals something that is believed to be true when in fact it is false.

Gratitude, shame, remorse, pride, honor, retribution, empathy, love, spirituality etc aren't illusions. They're simply elements of life which is a reality.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 14 Apr 2007, 23:52:58

Very interesting post Commanding_Heights. Well done.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 03:20:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'V')ery interesting post Commanding_Heights. Well done.

As was his original hammer post.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby uncarve_db_lock » Sun 15 Apr 2007, 11:48:21

Nicely said commanding heights.

I would add, having mentally ventured into the absolute duality dilemma before, that the paradox of the paradox is that its not a paradox and also...life/existence is a mystery to be lived, not a problem to be solved. The only thing that is perfect is imperfection. The only thing one can "truly" know is change. good discussion overall. when it all boils down, at least for me, i find it comforting that there is something so grand and mysterious beyond my comprehension capable of infinite possibilities. this comfort helps me in the day to day affairs of overcoming "real" animal problems like food and shelter, etc, etc.

Cheers!
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby RonMN » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 21:38:21

GPWS Quoted...the asked...

RonMN, we choose this illusion and continue to choose it you say?
But since we do not grasp the totality of existence and the deepest reality, then are WE not part of the illusion that exists within the absolute reality?

Since we do not grasp the totality of existance...Hmmmmm...since you do not grasp the totality of the free market, are you not still a part of it? Since you do not grasp the totality of death...do we not die?
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby RonMN » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 21:53:42

I went back to the beginning...and saw this...

GPWS Wrote:
The core reason of "life" is quite simply. Evolutionary Darwinism most perfectly explains it already, its no big secret or mystery. The core essence of EXISTENCE however is something else altogether...

Darwinism (in my opinion) explains nothing. It doesn't explain how the first life formed on an acid/volcanic planet. It doesn't explain how "we" formed an abilty to reason or imagine.

We're even left alone to ponder our "superior science" when "they" discover that 80% of all mass in the universe is MISSING...so they decide to call it "dark matter" (which "they" have yet to even come up with a plausable theory).

So you go ahead & tell me of your god darwin...he don't mean squat to me!
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby Rogozhin » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 21:54:25

Metaphysics may as well be astrology. A priori synthetical truths are like disco.

Over the years I've become a pragmatist. I won't waste time on epistemology anymore.

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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby keehah » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 02:27:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')elp me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.


I have been most interested lately in how denial functions in the human brain.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby kmann » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 13:27:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')elp me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

The answer is 42. Problem solved.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 03:38:18

I think reality is some kind of simulation. Whether it's a computer simulation, illusion, hologram, dream, or whatever. I just have moments some times where I don't feel very real. I feel artificial. It's an eerie feeling, yet it's so beautiful at the same time. Check out the link below for more info. I'm not saying this 100% right, I just think it makes more sense then that religion crap.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/Dreamsend.htm
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby joewp » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 02:18:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gpws', '
')What/How/why is the essence and core being of the totality of all existence/reality/'IT'?

What is the deepest underlying fabric/domain/essence of reality/existence? and HOW does it work, and WHY is it the way it is?


That's easy. All you are is a test case for perpetuating DNA. If you're successful and breed, you've made it, your genes could be present in an organism 500 million years from now. If you don't manage to reproduce by being unable to or dying before you get a chance, you win a Darwin Award (http://darwinawards.com) for removing those faulty genes from the species gene pool. Everything beyond this basic purpose is all fluff. Life only exists to perpetuate self-replicating molecules. Life is only self-replicating molecules. We call the particular molecule that runs our lives "DNA", but it doesn't care, as long as we make another copy of it, in a way that will increase it's chances of replication. You can also help a relative with their reproductive success, those kids will have a good portion of your genes in them, so it helps your genes perpetuate.

With all due respect to Douglas Adams, he was 4 short of the real number of the meaning of life. It's 46, as in the number of chromosomes in DNA.

So whether you've reproduced or not, about the best thing to do with life is stop worrying about what it "means" and enjoy it. Enjoy the boring times, enjoy the interesting times. Find fascination with everything and don't sweat the details.
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Re: Help me solve the one problem that is greater than PO.

Unread postby BigTex » Sun 29 Apr 2007, 02:49:21

Ralph Borsodi made a good point in "This Ugly Civilization" that has stuck with me and it is this:

There are unanswerable questions in life. Don't exhaust yourself trying to answer them. Let them remain unanswered and go about your business without being troubled or tormented by the unanswerable questions. There are plenty of challenging questions in life that CAN be answered without getting bogged down in a tail chasing meaning of life endless loop.

Is there a "reality." Yes, there is. Put your hand on a hot stove, you will feel it. Look at your children, you will see it. Find yourself in a life or death situation, watch how you react, that's reality. It's not as complicated as some would make it.
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