[Chaparral]

Anyone here want to give THEIR definition of multiculturalism?

To me, It has been the diversity of diet, religious belief, social custom, living arrangement etc so long as the local law of the land is not broken. i.e., eat all the curry you want but no caste system and no suttee.

In practice, It seems to be: keep your diet, holidays, celebrations, customs etc but be sure to buy into mindless consumerism as we coopt your cuisine, customs, holidays and turn them into money-making machines.

Once we've everyone's definitions of multiculturalism here, perhaps we can determine wherein lies the so-called threat?

[Plantagenet]

"who cares what color the cat is as long as it catches mice?"

[Cynus]

One thing to keep in mind is what multiculturalism ain't, and that's integration. Multiculturalism developed as a reaction to integrationism with the thought that minority groups should not have to give up their cultural heritage and assimilate to the majority culture. This leads to another criticism I have of multculturalism. Suppose two cultures were having a dispute. The star-bellied Sneetches like to play their humphaphones every day at 6 PM, and the non-star-bellied Sneetches like to eat their dinners in silence at that time. The majority non-star-bellied Sneetches want to pass a noise ordinance in the neighborhood. Integration would say that the minority culture should integrate with the majority culture and give up their practice. Separatism would say that both groups can keep their practices, but do them in separate places. But what would multiculturalism say? I used to think that multiculturalism provided no answer to the question, that it was an empty doctrine. Then it hit me: multiculturalism would say that it is the majority that must give up their cultural practice and adapt to the culture of the minority group, that unless the majority accomodates the cultural practice of the minority, some moral evil has occurred. Thus we see all these ridiculous efforts in the western world to appease other cultures by abandoning their own cultural practice and accepting practices and demands that they would normally not.

[highlander]

Cynus:
Your description certainly fits how us non-star-bellies feel.
How about the view from somebody who might live in a "multicultural" city, like Vancouver BC, or SF, california (at least, I'm told these cities are truly multi-cultural)

[Cynus]

Actually, I live in a "multicultural community" and I've come to one conclusion--there's no such thing as multicultural community. Mainly because your culture are those who you feel a sense of community with, thus "multicultural community" is an oxymoron. "Parallel societies" is a better description.
There was interesting reserarch done by a Harvard professor on this issue. The conclusion was that ethnic diversity decreases trust and co-operation in communities
In the presence of [ethnic] diversity, we hunker down. We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.

—Harvard professor Robert D. Putnam

There's an article on it here:
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_01_15/cover.html

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'A')ctually, I live in a "multicultural community" and I've come to one conclusion--there's no such thing as multicultural community. Mainly because your culture are those who you feel a sense of community with, thus "multicultural community" is an oxymoron. "Parallel societies" is a better description.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', '
')To me, It has been the diversity of diet, religious belief, social custom, living arrangement etc so long as the local law of the land is not broken. i.e., eat all the curry you want but no caste system and no suttee.

In practice, It seems to be: keep your diet, holidays, celebrations, customs etc but be sure to buy into mindless consumerism as we coopt your cuisine, customs, holidays and turn them into money-making machines.

[I_Like_Plants]

Cynus those studies can be found in serious sociological magazines as well as AmComMag and I've read them.

However, it's kind of weird, in a lot of cases I trust an Indian or a Mexican more than a fellow whitie. There's a big, tall, black guy who works at the local Radio Shack, he's been there a long time too, it seems like a bit of a dead-end job to me, so we got talking, the thing is, he likes it there, his wife works too, and they're even finding a way to buy a place, which is amazing here. Nice guy, no Einstein but I've dealt with him a fair amount over the years and yes I do trust him more than the average white person working at the Shack.

I guess what I most want to say is, move to an all-white area, and they do exist still in the US, plenty of 'em to move to, and you'll find you have just as much trouble, probably more, than in a "multicultural" area.

[holmes]

Cynus,
I have 3 homelands and regions. One is on the east coast. 2 are out west here. I happen to also live on the road so i see contrasts and before and after scenarios. I see the changes over time. It amazes me the deteriation I see after being away from a place for a time and then coming back. the 1965 immigration changes put the final nail into this n ation and the enviroenment.
I work and live in a illegal hotbed region. Not as great as the sw but close. Dont worry give it time. 73% of the prison population is hispanic and illegal. Lots of murderers. the region is overwhelmed and financially busted in the scramble to maintian the flow of marxist welfare state entitlements. This comes from taxpayers. So businesses are making out big time. Hey they can get the taxpayers to pay!

Now my home and american dream is in a isolated agriculture region deep in the vlcanic soil vallies. Population 98% white. No prison no crime. They hammer criminals. It is old school rod and gun club conservative society. There is really no racism just blend in with the culture and you will be fine. Its a dream down there. clean air. water. soil. wilderness. They have a stagnant community mindset: that means no growth. They support small business. Now the economy is not "healthy" in the infinite growth mind set but people are generally happy. Chikens run around the clean beautiful streets. Children can jsut run free. I live and will die there. There is a huge armory for when the gummint and their solvenly henchmen become tyranical as well.

Now I go and see the contrasts of the urban multi piss holes and I know what is and whats not. I wouldnt spend my life in those stinky latrines.
Personally I prepare my own food. I eat raw. I dont need a single tai or hindu restuarant. I dont need any of the multi stuff.
Multiculturalism is suicidal.
I laugh becuase the children are dead meat.
I love seeing the contrasts and truth. Who really cares what color you are. Is your culture one of never ending growth and death. Is your culture one where all poo and downtroden must be sheltered and promoted to breed en mas on an unsustainable tit. Is your culture one of denial and fantasy world love in.
lasty is my rural mostly white and some blacks county I grew up in. It is in the process of paving over. farmlands being consumed. Open space dissapearing. sprawl commencing. I go back now and there are traffic jams on my 2 lane roads now. it is doomed. Mulitculturalism was there always in a healthy form. Now its dead end.
But dont let facts and reality get in the way of the mandate utopias. Wack job utopias fail and never have existed. I know true utopias and they are mostly white. Jsut the way it goes. But I dont deal with suburban hell holes so I can not speak about that. I know there are some vile white people issues in the suburbs. Not in my areas. We leave our door unlocked still. Now start influxing the multi cult infinite growth big business mindset that will be history. They all feed off each other. Remember these turd worlders coming in with their haords of babies eat the shit death food provided by the big industries. And so forth and so on. One big machine it is. Not my gig. Ill try and keep out of their path. It truly is a dead end.

[holmes]

any culture that breeds en mas is a dead end. Thats why these places are all doomed. You have multiple cultures that just breed without end. Eventually your packed in like sardines and folks start getting angry and competing for resources. My culture is one of logarithmic growth. educated in ecology and population dynamics. All colors welcome. dummy breeders stay away. Cretinous parasitic cultures dont have a place here. We dont provide marxist welfare enslavemnt. Sorry!

[kam300en]

Multiculturalism is a euphemism for surrendering to the savage hordes. We may as well allow mountain gorillas a right to vote.

[holmes]

Kam,
I have top disagree. The Gorillas if you observe them are docile and very orderly. Calm and introspective. Only when the silver back male feels a threat to his crew does he get violent. and usually its alot of bluster and tirading. rarely becomes physical.
It is more like letting the bonobos and chimps vote. Especially the bonobos.

[kam300en]

Every day that goes by it becomes more and more evident that multiculturalism is a failure....it is a disease, along with suburbia, which has turned our civilization from a peaceful place where you could trust your neighbor, to a place where fear and alienation are the norm. The human wildlife we have allowed to run wild needs to be culled.

[I_Like_Plants]

Kam that's been my position all along - multiculturalism is the Empire's way of getting people to homogenize well enough to be interchangeable work-units.

A good place to observe multiculturalism is in Hawaii - everyone eats a side of kim chee on their plate lunch, everyone learns how to surf or at least boogieboard, everyone digs on Chinese New Year, etc. Take all the cultures in proportion to their percentage of population, take some distinctive but benign things about them like foods and holidays, and mix 'em up. Share among all.

Cultures and races do blend, but normally it's at glacial speed - the Empire needs it done at light speed so it's forced to be sped up.

BTW the chimps are the warlike ones, the bonobos are the "make love not war" types.