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Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
Re: Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
by eXpat » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 16:33:08
It was a very enlightening documental, i read bits and pieces about the neocons here and there, but in that documental it was all put very well together. It was the last documental made by the BBC worth the money of the TV Licence
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“You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” Ayn Rand
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Re: Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
by PenultimateManStanding » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 20:38:23
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')Qutb seems just like your average uptight Muslim, the overt sexiness of girls and boys dancing together made him fear for his own country.
This is at the core of the issue. We, who have grown up in this culture, think of it as 'up-tight'. But sexual passion and how its dealt with is heavy stuff, right at the heart of any culture. Its also an issue that lies at the center of the individual/collective antagonism. Some in this thread are saying that kids can't learn anymore because of 'sensory overload'. I regard that as nonsense, completely irrelevant. The real issue is psychological repression. When individuals don't feel free to 'let it all hang out', when they don't feel free to have car bumper stickers that say 'screw guilt', when they don't feel free to advertise their perversity (which Freud regarded as the human condition), in short, when individuals are afraid of what the community thinks then they repress themselves. The collective can (but not always) benefit from sublimated energy, bought at the price of individual suffering. That's the way its always been. When more and more individuals shake off the societal constrictions the result is what's called 'decadence'. Its another one of those damned if we do, damned if we don't scenarios.')Qutb seems just like your average uptight Muslim, the overt sexiness of girls and boys dancing together made him fear for his own country.
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Re: Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
by PenultimateManStanding » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 21:57:08
You can't dodge this. We all want everything. Didn't President Adams' wife warn him of this? The individual's wants are infinite. This is quite connected to peak oil. We are all the center of the universe as far as we are concerned.
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Re: Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
by Zardoz » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 22:13:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')Some in this thread are saying that kids can't learn anymore because of 'sensory overload'. I regard that as nonsense, completely irrelevant. The real issue is psychological repression...
')Some in this thread are saying that kids can't learn anymore because of 'sensory overload'. I regard that as nonsense, completely irrelevant. The real issue is psychological repression...
I'm bewildered.
In the past, kids had virtually no sensory stimulation compared to the avalanche they're buried under today. Also in the past, they were utterly repressed psychologically compared to the present, when virtually nothing holds them back.
Please clarify. How can you think kids are "repressed" today? Surely you must be fully aware of what they're up to these days. And how can you think they weren't repressed in the past, in those straight-laced, uptight, traditional societies?
And doesn't the fact that there was no electronic sensory stimulation in the past, when they could supposedly think, make you just a bit suspicious of the "wonders" of the electronic age?
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Re: Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
by PenultimateManStanding » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 22:16:22
btw, Raph, I agree with Aaron, and I seldom read your posts, or your stoner friend. You guys are deluded and it shows in your weird posts.
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Re: Revealing Documentary on Neoconservatism
by PenultimateManStanding » Wed 11 Apr 2007, 22:31:38
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', ' ')in the past, they were utterly repressed psychologically compared to the present, when virtually nothing holds them back.
Please clarify. How can you think kids are "repressed" today? Surely you must be fully aware of what they're up to these days. And how can you think they weren't repressed in the past, in those straight-laced, uptight, traditional societies?
I was saying that kids aren't repressed today. I'm surprised that you missed that, I must have misrepresented my case. Kids today are as happy-go-lucky as it gets. But we all grew up in the West under similar circumstances is what I'm saying and we passed it along to our kids. Muslims such as the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood saw it coming, they saw what happens when individuals try to get what they want. Collective structure breaks down. My argument is that we are all individuals and we want what individuals want, but it doesn't make good for the collective.Please clarify. How can you think kids are "repressed" today? Surely you must be fully aware of what they're up to these days. And how can you think they weren't repressed in the past, in those straight-laced, uptight, traditional societies?
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