[Kaminyu]

Here is an Energy War Scenario I found somewhat interesting:

Overview: The Great Energy War by John Stanton.

These future scenario commentaries are usually fun to read, accurate or not

[Permanently_Baffled]

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') It convinced Pakistan to invade India, and Israel to secure Saudi Arabia, Syria and Kuwait. England was left to deal with the continental European powers France and Germany.

[Wildwell]

The fact is most people agree with French and the Germans more than the US government these days, that writer shouldn't kid himself. Blair might be looking at electoral defeat in the next month - One of the prime reasons is the war on Iraq.

And why does the United Kingdom always get referred to as England in these things? That's like someone referring to the US as California.

[Tyler_JC]

That's not how it would play out!

The USA would be "attacked" be "Iranian terrorists." In order to keep the world "safe for democracy" and to "fight tyranny" the USA and her noble allies would invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the rest of the Middle East. The local population would "find Jesus" (a.k.a. our neutron bombs) and we would be allowed to bring "our" oil back to the United States. All of this done under the "brave leadership" of "president" Jeb Bush.

Man, you people need to research this stuff a little better.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Jeb Bush's successor, Jenna Bush will begin the resettlement of the lands wiped out by neutron bombs in order to facilitate the further developement of the natural resources of the depopulated areas. At this point the American system will be overhauled and Jenna Bush will be deified, her children groomed as global potentates.

[PenultimateManStanding]

In 2055, the two eldest sons of the Empress Jenna, NeoCon Stantinus and Jennus Petroleus will wage a Civil War which NeoCon Stantinus will emerge from as the Sole Ruler of the World and begin a Dynasty which lasts for a thousand years. Ancient forms of address will be revived and NeoCon Stantinus will become known as 'Stan the Man.'

[Kaminyu]

A thousand years later, the dynasty of 'Stan the Man' is finally overthrown by the different rebellions against it. The NeoCon Rulership of the world then fragments, leaving various unions in it's place.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Yes, that is true, but during the Great Reign of Stan The Man and His Dynasty, a priestly elite descended from a Great Woman named Peak Oil Jane and an ancient sage known only to posterity as 'Phil' will have bred humanity to such heights of intelligence and sagacity that humanity will have finally made the jump to Other Worlds and begun the Great Journey.

[Commanding_Heights]

A buddy of mine set up a pretty cool thing this past summer to provide himself with some pretty cheap winter heat. I'll try my best to describe it.

Anyways he located a huge hardwood compost/mulch pile in a sunny spot in his yard. (I didn't ask how many yards it was but if I had to guess I'd say 30 to 40.) He then fabricated a large square made of hollow copper tubing. Off of that square were two additional hollow pipes which ran into his house. He buried the square dead in the center of the compost pile. Then he super-insulated the pipes running out of the compost pile and into his house. Inside the house he had a low voltage fan which sucked air out of the room and forced it through the pipes into the compost pile. The temp from the center of the compost pile which averaged 70-75 degrees. The hollow copper tubing acted as a heat exchanger. The air that got forced back into the room and was pretty warm when I felt it. I'll also add that he did put a shut off valve on the return for the summer.

The other day he took the compost/mulch from that cooked pile, spread it around the yard and had a new pile delivered the for this coming winter.

Not only is he making his land fertile he's getting free heat.

I thought it was pretty cool and was wondering if anyone has tried/heard of anything similar? I want to try it for heating my crawl space. Any suggestions are appreciated.

[Grifter]

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')No really. The point of the heat is to keep the pile hot so the microrganism can thrive. Othewise it wouldn't be a compost pile, just a garbage pile. If the pile is heating your rumpus room then it is not heating itself.

[Commanding_Heights]

He was just heating one room and this was a BIG pile. If the aerobic activity was affected then it wasn't by a ton because it was continually cooking and putting out heat.

I wasn't planning on heating the whole house. Just the crawl space where my hot water heaters and HVAC/vents are located. I had my crawl encapsulated this summer for energy savings/reduction. It's a complete dead air space now but it's not insulated with the exception of the floor joyces. I thought the heat exchange could help with loss of heat energy from HVAC and water heaters. Always looking to powerdown

[Commanding_Heights]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')No really. The point of the heat is to keep the pile hot so the microrganism can thrive. Othewise it wouldn't be a compost pile, just a garbage pile. If the pile is heating your rumpus room then it is not heating itself.

[Commanding_Heights]

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')
So in theory it is not unreasonable, but practically it is just plain dumb. Who want earwigs in their bed?

[Chaparral]

I had a small pile of approximately 1/2 cubic meter of juniper (Italian Cypress??) clippings. The things got so hot, so fast that you feel the heat by simply placing your hand on the pile. I turned it over and it looked for all the world like ash on the inside. I've always wondered about that ever since. Maybe a small bricked in bin covered with aluminum window screen in the center of a greenhouse? It would be an interesting test-project someday. Perhaps one would need to plant a row of juniper/cypress/cedar just to harvest boughs for this type of heat generation. The pollen from those things is nasty though.

[kjmclark]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')o really. The point of the heat is to keep the pile hot so the microrganism can thrive. Othewise it wouldn't be a compost pile, just a garbage pile. If the pile is heating your rumpus room then it is not heating itself.

[Grifter]

Well, I was thinking of something this size



I built that

I had a long stick inserted into the middle of the pile, when it was full of weeds and horse muck it was quite hot when you pulled the stick out, I mean not too hot to touch but very warm. I was thinking of building one where I am now and basically filling it with horse manure with a copper coil in the middle, a water butt elevated above it feeding the copper coil and having the copper pipes running under the soil of the greenhouse.

As long as I could just get the water to just drip into the pipes it should keep the plants at least a little warmer giving me an extended growing season.

[Commanding_Heights]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kjmclark', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'N')o really. The point of the heat is to keep the pile hot so the microrganism can thrive. Othewise it wouldn't be a compost pile, just a garbage pile. If the pile is heating your rumpus room then it is not heating itself.