[Bas]

A very revealing documentary on the origins and rise to this day of both neoconservatism and islamism; their strenghts and weaknesses, similarities and common enemies. A must see IMO.

BBC's "The Power of Nightmares" part 1

[Bas]

BBC's "The Power of Nightmares" part 2 and Part 3

[NEOPO]

I posted these maybe a year ago as I dug deeply into the subject matter.

All I want to know is did it change your view of things?
Do you still believe all that has happened is some wacky conspiracy or perhaps a long string of strange coincidences?

Like PO the realization can drive a person insane.
You wonder "what can I do?" and you know you do not want to be a martyr especially if you are like me and have people who depend upon you.

I could think of nothing more to do but to say no by dropping out of this death cult.
"what do you think they would say if we stood up! and we walked away"

Now if they do not allow us to exist peacefully then it will be their own undoing which of course is just a matter of time anyways.

Do not prevent this peaceful revolution...
Do not hinder the peaceful revolutionaries...

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') posted these maybe a year ago as I dug deeply into the subject matter.

All I want to know is did it change your view of things?
Do you still believe all that has happened is some wacky conspiracy or perhaps a long string of strange coincidences?

[Frankieboy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') posted these maybe a year ago as I dug deeply into the subject matter.

All I want to know is did it change your view of things?
Do you still believe all that has happened is some wacky conspiracy or perhaps a long string of strange coincidences?

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Frankieboy', ' ')Now I realise there is MUCH more going on than you here in the mainstream media, and I think that is sadly even more true in the US. You cannot say the people are free when there is not a free, functioning media that asks the right questions.

[PenultimateManStanding]

This was quite enlightening in many ways. Much of of it I already knew about, such as the collapse of the Islamicist movements of the 90s. I particularly was struck by the flimsy cases against the so-called 'sleeper cells' in the US. From what's been revealed of the prosecution of 'Satanic child abuse cells' and how such cases were abuses of power by legal authorities based on paranoid fantasies, this presentation has credibility. The thesis of the documentary, that the fears of a global Al Qaeda was another paranoid fantasy, seems very likely. It's interesting that the blame for the 9-11 attack was laid in the documentary on Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, btw, and not AIPAC or Cheney. The implication is that the Neoconservatives exploited this event to return to influence, but they had no role in making it happen, a position I agree with.

A striking aspect of all this is that both the Islamicists and the Neocons were basically about a reaction to easygoing liberal individualism. They were both groups of ideologues who felt distaste for ordinary people living lives based on having enjoyment for themselves, and being indifferent to the collective 'health' of their societies. I agree with this assessment. This is connected, though, to why intellectual standards of educating the young are failing and I can see where these ideologues, of both sides, are coming from. It's all very complex and perplexing. Personally, I'm for defending individuals against the collective. I think that most people in the world are in this camp with me. The problem is that this illusive freedom is about to collapse, because it's been fueled by oil. The Collectivists are about to have their day, I'm afraid.

[PenultimateManStanding]

My point is that the very astute BBC producers of this famous documentary had no concept of peak oil. Neither did Henry Kissinger or any other so-called global thinker. Kissinger based his ideas on old European settlements, old thinking about how to build stability. That's all smart politicians have to go on. They rely upon history, and economists who rely on theories that don't take into consideration natural constraints. This is how we got to this screwed up situation. The brainy people were thinking within narrow constraints of their various specialties. There has never been a professional reward for seeing the big picture that had any influence.

[basil_hayden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')his is connected, though, to why intellectual standards of educating the young are failing and I can see where these ideologues, of both sides, are coming from. It's all very complex and perplexing. The Collectivists are about to have their day, I'm afraid.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'M')y point is that the very astute BBC producers of this famous documentary had no concept of peak oil. Neither did Henry Kissinger or any other so-called global thinker. Kissinger based his ideas on old European settlements, old thinking about how to build stability. That's all smart politicians have to go on. They rely upon history, and economists who rely on theories that don't take into consideration natural constraints. This is how we got to this screwed up situation. The brainy people were thinking within narrow constraints of their various specialties. There has never been a professional reward for seeing the big picture that had any influence.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')his is connected, though, to why intellectual standards of educating the young are failing and I can see where these ideologues, of both sides, are coming from. It's all very complex and perplexing. The Collectivists are about to have their day, I'm afraid.

[Eli]

Very interesting show just watched the first one and it was pretty good.

Qutb seems just like your average uptight Muslim, the overt sexiness of girls and boys dancing together made him fear for his own country.

I like the end part where the CIA was asked to come up with evidence that proved the soviets were behind all terror groups, because of a book that was mostly made of their own disinformation.

But I am with Pen on this, Neocons are just political opportunists who exploit enemies they can find. I really think that Iraq was not just an attempt to grab oil but I think they really thought that they could ring democracy there.

[NEOPO]

Look this is just one of many good videos out there.

I see people trying to make excuses for Neocons and ZIONIST or to underestimate their power but thats just fear talking folks.
It is easier to believe that their is a power struggle then to believe that any one group has it all.

Democracy to Iraq?
America is a republic! doh!
Maybe we bought some democracy from ancient greece and kept it in storage all this time.

The bullshit is so deep I wear waders when I come into threads like this.

Education? oh my I could write a fucking book about how they are doing little more then brainwashing people.....education yeah okay.
Most of the sheeple are "educated" so whats the fucking problem with them then because we know there is a problem.

All I can say is dig deeper into the rabbit hole if you dare and I dont blame a damn one of you for just staying put for now.
Sooner or later you will no longer be able to deny it. The realization will hit you, slowly but surely coming in waves you will see all the manipulations.
Some subtle others quite overt but manipulations reinforcing the status quo nonetheless.
Until then you will think people like myself are crazy and that to is okay.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '.')..Yes, this is a central issue: why can't kids can't think anymore? Why can't they learn? It's an issue that concerns colleges deeply...

[Eli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '.')..Yes, this is a central issue: why can't kids can't think anymore? Why can't they learn? It's an issue that concerns colleges deeply...

[Newsseeker]

As Jim Morrison said one year before his death, "I'm going to live this mother f@#ker to the fullest before it all goes down in flames." Go Jim! With the neo-cons in charge you know this thing is not going to have a happy ending.

[Frankieboy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '.')..Yes, this is a central issue: why can't kids can't think anymore? Why can't they learn? It's an issue that concerns colleges deeply...

[I_Like_Plants]

Yeah American culture is all about sensory overload. Just getting from Point A to Point B in the US, remember that walking is all but illegal, means a constant sensory onslaught where one wrong decision can cost you your life. People aren't even processing things verbally anymore, there's no time to read signs, everything is communicated in symbols, which have to be understandable in fractions of a second.

Watching children's TV programs in the US will send you into an epileptic fit, and kids watch this shit for HOURS a day.

Getting back to the BBC documentaries, I think maybe 1% of Americans see these, maybe less than that. It's really underground stuff over here, the movie Why We Fight, which I know was shown during dinnertime to everyone who wanted to flip on the TV in Britain, is a real underground film here. I consider myself extremely lucky to have a very low-res copy. I'm not sure anyone outside the US realizes how controlled the media is here.