http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007 ... tons_N.htm
Some sort of secret deal with Britain to free the hostages?
Secret Deal @ usatoday.com
I wonder what, becoming another energy importer like the rest of Europe, Britain gave for the easy release of hostages?
UN deal?
Weapons?
Influence in Southern Iraq?
Maybe technical assistance with their refineries?
I'm guessing UN support. Britain wouldn't value them over the next two and Iran wouldn't accept the third.
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Britain's Hostages
by zoidberg » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 03:25:21
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by americandream » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 04:46:53
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'h')ttp://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-04-06-release-britons_N.htm
Some sort of secret deal with Britain to free the hostages?
Secret Deal @ usatoday.com
I wonder what, becoming another energy importer like the rest of Europe, Britain gave for the easy release of hostages?
UN deal?
Weapons?
Influence in Southern Iraq?
Maybe technical assistance with their refineries?
I'm guessing UN support. Britain wouldn't value them over the next two and Iran wouldn't accept the third.
Some sort of secret deal with Britain to free the hostages?
Secret Deal @ usatoday.com
I wonder what, becoming another energy importer like the rest of Europe, Britain gave for the easy release of hostages?
UN deal?
Weapons?
Influence in Southern Iraq?
Maybe technical assistance with their refineries?
I'm guessing UN support. Britain wouldn't value them over the next two and Iran wouldn't accept the third.
I've said this before and I'll say this again...abandon your acculturated spectacles..
this is a war between the elites...and you and I are...NOTHING.....thye've done a deal alrite..on how they are variously going to rule us in our various reagions....in the ME with GOD...and in the West....with BS.
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by dukey » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 07:16:52
exactly
They have been trying to find excuses to start a war with Iran for months and months now. Any excuse will do.
A story which ran on sky news and disappeared as quickly as it apppeared (typical) was that the sailors were involved in espionage. WE ARE TRYING TO PROVOKE A WAR.
US, WE ARE DOING IT.
The iranians dont want war, period.
They have been trying to find excuses to start a war with Iran for months and months now. Any excuse will do.
A story which ran on sky news and disappeared as quickly as it apppeared (typical) was that the sailors were involved in espionage. WE ARE TRYING TO PROVOKE A WAR.
US, WE ARE DOING IT.
The iranians dont want war, period.
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by Grifter » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 08:23:01
I find it shocking that the Americans offered military action to free the 15.
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It means that I was wrong to think that military action will be a last resort. The US are spoiling to start this war!
The world is run by mad men
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It means that I was wrong to think that military action will be a last resort. The US are spoiling to start this war!
The world is run by mad men
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by evilgenius » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 09:15:48
The first day John Bolton was on British television calling the Brit gov pussies for not taking a hard line. The Brit gov sought negotiations from the start.
I think it needs to be asked whether a war, or a limited engagement should it come to that, is in the interests of both Iran and the US? This thing smells of a clandestine operation on the part of both those gov's. The Iranians would have needed to be tipped off in order to be so precise. Only the Americans, or the Brits themselves, could have done that. The fact that there was so much arm twisting, not just Bolton, going on by the US so soon indicates it was the Americans that were behind it. Only if the Brits were trying to pacify the overall situation by showing the Iranians in a good light, able and ready to act civilized, could it have been the Brits.
I don't think one needs to look past Chalabi and his two-way street connections with the American underbelly and the Iranian power structure to figure this one out.
The Americans want a reason to put their Sunni friends the Saudis in charge of Iraq via the Saudi's Iraqi proxies. The Iranians need solid reasons to bring their nuclear program before the rest of the world. They also desperately need help building their oil infrastructure and will only get that help if the US agrees to stop interfering with the financing of their projects.
Both the Americans and the Iranians underestimated the Brits. What do those players have up their sleeve next?
I think it needs to be asked whether a war, or a limited engagement should it come to that, is in the interests of both Iran and the US? This thing smells of a clandestine operation on the part of both those gov's. The Iranians would have needed to be tipped off in order to be so precise. Only the Americans, or the Brits themselves, could have done that. The fact that there was so much arm twisting, not just Bolton, going on by the US so soon indicates it was the Americans that were behind it. Only if the Brits were trying to pacify the overall situation by showing the Iranians in a good light, able and ready to act civilized, could it have been the Brits.
I don't think one needs to look past Chalabi and his two-way street connections with the American underbelly and the Iranian power structure to figure this one out.
The Americans want a reason to put their Sunni friends the Saudis in charge of Iraq via the Saudi's Iraqi proxies. The Iranians need solid reasons to bring their nuclear program before the rest of the world. They also desperately need help building their oil infrastructure and will only get that help if the US agrees to stop interfering with the financing of their projects.
Both the Americans and the Iranians underestimated the Brits. What do those players have up their sleeve next?
When it comes down to it, the people will always shout, "Free Barabbas." They love Barabbas. He's one of them. He has the same dreams. He does what they wish they could do. That other guy is more removed, more inscrutable. He makes them think. "Crucify him."
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by master_rb » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 09:23:48
Grifter,
first i thought you found this news on some zero creditibility web site where next to this news is some UFO info, curious i checked it anyway and i see it on guardian, i always though that war with iran was more bark than bite, now i'm a little scared
now i think that blair is more of a middle guy between U.S. and the middle east, i thought he was just as agressive as bush, one time i read he talked bush out of blowing out arabic news station, i wonder if there was somebody else in braitin with more like bush's attitude, probably end of the war would have happened already
first i thought you found this news on some zero creditibility web site where next to this news is some UFO info, curious i checked it anyway and i see it on guardian, i always though that war with iran was more bark than bite, now i'm a little scared
now i think that blair is more of a middle guy between U.S. and the middle east, i thought he was just as agressive as bush, one time i read he talked bush out of blowing out arabic news station, i wonder if there was somebody else in braitin with more like bush's attitude, probably end of the war would have happened already
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by smallpoxgirl » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 10:27:07
It certainly seems like Bush is trying his best to instigate a war with Iran. I can't for the life of me figure out what he's thinking. It's not exactly a secret that the military is already stretched thin and having a hard time providing security in Iraq. To get more troops would require a draft, but he can't be stupid enough to think he can get a draft for such a wildly unpopular war. Maybe some sort of false flag attack would increase support, but if that's the plan, why doesn't he just do it? Invading Iran isn't going to increase the impact of a false flag attack. What's his strategy? I don't get it. Is this some sort of hot-potato move for the democrats? Start another unwinnable war and allyoop, your turn to be president now. Have fun with that President Obama.
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by ColossalContrarian » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 10:37:23
Why isn't there an option for "Traded 6 diplomats from Tehran illegally arrested in Iraq"?
I thought that was part of the deal.
I thought that was part of the deal.
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by zoidberg » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 11:05:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sabibaby', 'W')hy isn't there an option for "Traded 6 diplomats from Tehran illegally arrested in Iraq"?
I thought that was part of the deal.
I thought that was part of the deal.
thats a good one. I wish I could now.
Got any links?
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by Tyler_JC » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 11:15:50
You want to know what Iran got for the hostages? They got a chance to humiliate the United Kingdom.
They paraded the soldiers around and made the British look weak.
The Iranian president gained popularity among his people and at the same time, damaged the credibility of the British army.
Every single actions by Iran over the past week has worked swimmingly.
Has anyone talked about Iran's nuclear enrichment program on TV in the past week? I don't think so! Iran just bought themselves more time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040501796.html
According to this guy, not only was Britain humiliated, but the entire European Union was made to look like fools.
Personally, I find the entire event rather humorous.
They paraded the soldiers around and made the British look weak.
The Iranian president gained popularity among his people and at the same time, damaged the credibility of the British army.
Every single actions by Iran over the past week has worked swimmingly.
Has anyone talked about Iran's nuclear enrichment program on TV in the past week? I don't think so! Iran just bought themselves more time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040501796.html
According to this guy, not only was Britain humiliated, but the entire European Union was made to look like fools.
Personally, I find the entire event rather humorous.
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by dukey » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 11:28:58
i am british.
our government put those soldiers there to provoke an incident
they want to kick off ww3, it is by design
our government put those soldiers there to provoke an incident
they want to kick off ww3, it is by design
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by zoidberg » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 11:53:25
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'Y')ou want to know what Iran got for the hostages? They got a chance to humiliate the United Kingdom.
They paraded the soldiers around and made the British look weak.
The Iranian president gained popularity among his people and at the same time, damaged the credibility of the British army.
Every single actions by Iran over the past week has worked swimmingly.
Has anyone talked about Iran's nuclear enrichment program on TV in the past week? I don't think so! Iran just bought themselves more time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040501796.html
According to this guy, not only was Britain humiliated, but the entire European Union was made to look like fools.
Personally, I find the entire event rather humorous.
They paraded the soldiers around and made the British look weak.
The Iranian president gained popularity among his people and at the same time, damaged the credibility of the British army.
Every single actions by Iran over the past week has worked swimmingly.
Has anyone talked about Iran's nuclear enrichment program on TV in the past week? I don't think so! Iran just bought themselves more time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040501796.html
According to this guy, not only was Britain humiliated, but the entire European Union was made to look like fools.
Personally, I find the entire event rather humorous.
A quick kick in the rear as Britains leaving Iraq indeed. I love how couting coup stills works in todays modern political system.
PS. Your tagline's quote from Alpha Centauri is excellent! I still play it a few times a year. (Have original box & all documents too.)
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Re: Britain's Hostages
by ColossalContrarian » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 12:03:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sabibaby', 'W')hy isn't there an option for "Traded 6 diplomats from Tehran illegally arrested in Iraq"?
I thought that was part of the deal.
I thought that was part of the deal.
thats a good one. I wish I could now.
Got any links?
So here’s a little info on the release of one Iranian diplomat –just one, not five like I originally thought…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 522113.stm
“While Iraqi diplomats are hopeful that their release would have a positive impact on the case of the British naval personnel, they are not making a direct connection between the two issues, says the BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/world ... ?ref=world
“People are trying to link this to the British sailors’ case. Really, it has no connection whatsoever. Even for the other Iranian detainees, we’ve been repeatedly asking the M.N.F.I. to release them,” Mr. Zebari said, referring to the American-led coalition, the Multi-National Force-Iraq.”
So I guess it shouldn’t be a choice on your poll because they had nothing to do with each other...
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The glorious efficiency of the military eh?