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Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Baldwin » Sat 31 Mar 2007, 22:19:50

Harmless entertainment or propoganda?

The movie is a clash of cultures clearly (Greek versus Persia). The Persians are depicted in no more of a flattering light than the Dark Lord Sauron and his minions in Lord of the Rings. The Greeks are a defender of all the western ways.

Isn't the movie's release in a time when we stand on the brink of war with Iran rather convenient?

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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 00:27:54

The War Nerd has a good review of it...

http://www.exile.ru/2007-March-23/war_nerd.html

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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 00:45:40

I must confess that I have not seen the movie but I am curious as to whether the 700 Thespians are mentioned, which would make the title 1000. I could go on about the other Greek defenders but why steal all the glory from Sparta.

My vote: Propaganda.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby seldom_seen » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 01:42:00

Propaganda. My understanding is that this movie was secretly conceptualized and funded by the Iranian Revolutionary army. With the intent and purpose of goading the US/UK/Israel in to attacking Iran. Thus paving the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Baldwin » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 01:44:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'P')ropaganda. My understanding is that this movie was secretly conceptualized and funded by the Iranian Revolutionary army. With the intent and purpose of goading the US/UK/Israel in to attacking Iran. Thus paving the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi.


That's certainly a new take on the movie....
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 02:41:19

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith costumes designed by Michael Wilkinson, "300" pays a lot of attention to what its characters wear. The Spartan look — tight metal helmets, giant shields, long red capes and what look like black leather Speedos — is quite effective, though at times it makes "the fiercest soldiers the world has ever known" look like an especially fit group of Santa Monica lifeguards taking part in the Doo-Dah Parade.

The effeteness of the debauched Persians, on the other hand, is indicated by the multiple piercings of their leaders. The great Xerxes (Rodrigo Santoro), for example, is so weighed down by a costume consisting of 18 jewelry pieces, not to mention a dozen piercings, that he comes off more like an arrogant doorman at an exclusive bondage club than the unquestioned ruler of a mighty empire.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Sun 01 Apr 2007, 22:56:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'T')he War Nerd has a good review of it...

http://www.exile.ru/2007-March-23/war_nerd.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ontrary to what amateur fascists think, the really successful military elites encourage discussion, train mid-rank officers to react independently, and discourage yelling, steroid use and macho bullshit in general. Hell, even the Wehrmacht was filled with calm, polite and cultured men. We could use a few of them now.

+1. The War Nerd's review is essential reading regarding that movie.

The Spartans are infamous for their enforced non-family-unit living arrangements and man-boy loving. The movie has got it bass-ackwards, along with nearly every factual element presented. It's as bad as Mel Gibson's snuff film.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby PolestaR » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 00:35:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'T')he War Nerd has a good review of it...

http://www.exile.ru/2007-March-23/war_nerd.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ontrary to what amateur fascists think, the really successful military elites encourage discussion, train mid-rank officers to react independently, and discourage yelling, steroid use and macho bullshit in general. Hell, even the Wehrmacht was filled with calm, polite and cultured men. We could use a few of them now.

+1. The War Nerd's review is essential reading regarding that movie.

The Spartans are infamous for their enforced non-family-unit living arrangements and man-boy loving. The movie has got it bass-ackwards, along with nearly every factual element presented. It's as bad as Mel Gibson's snuff film.


I didn't know we went to movies to be educated... but then again I suppose most of America gets their education from Scary Movie 4 and Norbit.

300 had some pretty good action, mucho stuff really. I liked it, and just like Lord of the Rings I treat it like fiction. I find in good movies you have to turn your "brain" off to enjoy them otherwise you constantly pick apart inaccuracies in the story and characters.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 00:46:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laughs_Last', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'T')he War Nerd has a good review of it...

http://www.exile.ru/2007-March-23/war_nerd.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ontrary to what amateur fascists think, the really successful military elites encourage discussion, train mid-rank officers to react independently, and discourage yelling, steroid use and macho bullshit in general. Hell, even the Wehrmacht was filled with calm, polite and cultured men. We could use a few of them now.

+1. The War Nerd's review is essential reading regarding that movie.

The Spartans are infamous for their enforced non-family-unit living arrangements and man-boy loving. The movie has got it bass-ackwards, along with nearly every factual element presented. It's as bad as Mel Gibson's snuff film.


I was wondering if it would show any of that myself and was kinda surprised yet I dont recall any samurai movie showing it either 8)
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Propaganda maybe but hey I think "24" is propaganda also.....
Heck at this point in time anything that attempts to "prop up" this unsustainable existence is propaganda if you ask me.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 08:28:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'I') didn't know we went to movies to be educated... but then again I suppose most of America gets their education from Scary Movie 4 and Norbit.

300 had some pretty good action, mucho stuff really. I liked it, and just like Lord of the Rings I treat it like fiction. I find in good movies you have to turn your "brain" off to enjoy them otherwise you constantly pick apart inaccuracies in the story and characters.

People do learn from movies, regardless of whether it is appropriate. History is little more than the re-telling of stories. False historical movies create false revisionist history.

There ought to be a law <shakes fist>. Oh right, it's a posthumous libel, but perhaps one of the parties doesn't have standing in court due to being dead for several millennia.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Newsseeker » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 10:50:15

This movie is so far from reality that it is more science fiction than anything approaching either propaganda or historical truth.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 11:06:12

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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby Ayoob » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 11:33:39

I loved it. It's a fantastic movie based on a comic book. Try to judge it on it's merits. If you liked Braveheart and Sin City, you'll like this one.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby dbruning » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 13:37:29

The movie was very enjoyable. At least the guys that needed to die did die instead of some last minute miracle.

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Nah, but the Persian leader....what the hell were they thinking. Watch this guys eyes...how much feaking softer could they get? Was that intentional with makeup or something? Or does he really have the worlds more feminine eyes? Yeah, he's someone to fear alrighty.

Almost killed my suspension of disbelief right there.

I held onto it though, and enjoyed the movie.

Though I doubt it was intended as propoganda, couldn't people find out who the financial backers were?
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 14:03:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dbruning', 'T')hough I doubt it was intended as propoganda, couldn't people find out who the financial backers were?


Hmmmm. Where would an executive producer like Thomas Tull get funding for a movie that makes Persians/Iranians look like blood-thirsty zombies? Hmmmm.

Where could someone like Tull who donates heavily to the Shoah Foundation get funding for a movie where the West smashes less-than-human easterners? Hmmmm.

A real head-scratcher.
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Re: Let's discuss the movie "300"

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 06 Apr 2007, 20:01:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') loved it. It's a fantastic movie based on a comic book. Try to judge it on it's merits. If you liked Braveheart and Sin City, you'll like this one.
I liked both of the latter and was bored by 300. It's a comic book based on real history, kind of an odd idea. My disappointment was mild because I didn't expect much and just went because my oldest daughter insisted. The actual battle was fought with precision and discipline. Though we heard lip service to that idea in the flick we didn't get it when the time came. The battle was staged as pure fantasy, very loose with trivial half-assed gestures to show a phalanx in action. Cool special effects and creepy comic book monsters. I'm getting real tired of this particular hollywood genre. btw, spartan hoplites were well armored and looked more like this:

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