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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby Bas » Wed 04 Apr 2007, 18:56:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '"')but which one wins grandfather?"
"the one you feed grandson"

Hmmm might it have occurred to you that people do not like to be annoyed and or woken up yet that is perhaps exactly what they need?


I certainly woke you up from your usual vague blah blah, didn't I?
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby Baldwin » Wed 04 Apr 2007, 19:19:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '[')url=http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/cynicism/]quotes about cynics[/url]

My fav on this page:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)


Kind of the two major camps

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try.
Peggy Noonan (1950 - )


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ynicism is an unpleasant way of saying the truth.
Lillian Hellman (1905 - 1984)


This one is very good and kind of balanced

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') cynic is not merely one who reads bitter lessons from the past, he is one who is prematurely disappointed in the future.
Sidney J. Harris


Funny, those people lived in the current cornucopian era when pleasure, ease, and good feelings superceded God.

Look up Diogenes the Cynic. His comments are truly cynical. Modern cynicism is a misnomer for a depressed pessimist.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby Bas » Wed 04 Apr 2007, 20:11:19

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Funny, those people lived in the current cornucopian era when pleasure, ease, and good feelings superceded God.


Aren't you still Baldwin? Aren't we still?

Also, we can argue long or short about the definition of cynicism but (as we say in holland) that's just ant-fucking to me.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby JasonHam » Wed 04 Apr 2007, 21:30:36

I'm new to the board, but I have noticed the cynical, "Nothng can save us" attitude. I'm not there yet, I doubt I ever will beleive that a mass dieoff/anarchy will occur. I do think there will be "spots" of violence and extremely difficult times ahead. If not Peak Oil, the economy or pandemic or global wrming or War or take your pick. There is just so much going on and it seems to acclerate daily. I understand the cynical attitude. Where my attitude is different from most is how people will react to the catastrophic event. I think people will come together. Its in their own interest to help other people. And I genuinely think its what in people. Most people. People will organize and make decisions to help as many as they can.....I grew up in a small town in the midwest, people didnt have much.....they took care of each other....
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby cestlavie » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 00:11:10

Hey, relax people! Just remember, you have plenty of movies to watch, and music, and TV, and radio and and ice cream! And candy (and beer and wine... ) Ok, ok, anyway. Just look at the bright side. Ultimately if we look into Near Death Experience, somewhere in there (all those books -about NDE) is a quote "life is the real death". And I read somewhere 'Death is like birth into the real life'. Honestly, I don't know what the real truth is. But when your up in the sky flying in a cessna two seater (or whatever your flying in) and you look down, and you see the little houses and little trees all of earths problems look so small from a distance. So its really all perspective (to a huge degree anyways - for example marathoners run 26 miles and then collapse one step right after the finish line), even though we may be negative, and of course even rightly so given the conditions. I work to prepare (if anything just for the emotional well being even if I die early!!!) and look forward to each new spring and planting. Remember life is tough, but maybe not the life after! Some thought came to me one day "we create our life in the world to be by the things we do in the world we see". All of life is a stage and we are the drama. I currently find that I don't want to be a part of that drama anymore, especially cause the wood floor sure is isn't any good for digging. Kunstler had said in his presentation "Life is tragic", and he also had a picture of an airliner with a thought bubble going up into the sky and the words "fill 'er up with.... uh.... technology?". Give me technology! So I drink, I drive (but not necessarily in that order of course - unless I want to die) in my 2000 pound vehicle to and from work, I see the insanity and hilariousness of it all, I plan for spring, plant stuff like Rampion, Day Lilies, Jerusalem Artichokes, etc and hopefully will be ready for the crash. A light load for anyone to be sure. But I don't know how else to deal with it and everything else seems trivial now...

Tom Brown Jr was a survivalist who lived in the woods for over ten years with practically no tools except for a knife. It's almost consoling now ever time I read his books and his information and the vision quests he has. He even wrote a book on plant identification, in addition to books on his experiences. Grandfather told him the future is like the palm of the hand, with the fingers representing the many possible futures that could be had and one of the fingers was the most probable future but this could change. Grandfather suspected that before the flock of birds changed course it was one bird that came up with the thought. Its good to get a store of written books that you can go back to and read. When the computer, the internet is down we'll have hard copies of all the good stuff, and life won't be as miserable. Survivalists focus on the survivalist stuff but its also important to stock up on good books too, for ye shall not live by bread alone, when I was a child I spoke as a child but when I grew up I put all those childish things aside.... (grin!) Just having fun of course!!! Throughout the land
Snooorreeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 02:07:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '[')b]Cynical people make for lousy human beings.

I can't blame anyone who studies peak oil for becoming cynical on occasion; I get like that myself on occasion but I never surrender to it like some on this forum seem to have surrendered to it.

To me cynical people seem to have stopped thinking; having become slaves of some sort of negative dogma about the world. They don't seem to have many original thoughts or interest in anything; they take cheap shots whenever they can at anyone who expresses an opinion that doesn't fit their dogma, often without provocation. They don't really contribute to debate and they express their opinions as if it were fact when in reality it's nothing more than, at most, partially based on fact.

Cynicism is for a big part apathy to the world and the future; it doesn't help changing it or planning for it; it's a form of depression in which people stopped fighting trying to intellectually improve on themselves.

What bothers me the most is that being cynical seems to be contagious and spreading on this board; I don't see any sense of humor anymore and I seem to be infected myself of late. Needless to say I don't like it.

Are we (becoming) a group of old grumpy men?


/cynicism


Who Cares?!

And I disagree strongly. Cynicism has really helped me optimally prepare my family fo rthe future.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby max_power29 » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 02:29:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cestlavie', 'H')ey, relax people! Just remember, you have plenty of movies to watch, and music, and TV, and radio and and ice cream! And candy (and beer and wine... ) Ok, ok, anyway. Just look at the bright side. Ultimately if we look into Near Death Experience, somewhere in there (all those books -about NDE) is a quote "life is the real death". And I read somewhere 'Death is like birth into the real life'. Honestly, I don't know what the real truth is. But when your up in the sky flying in a cessna two seater (or whatever your flying in) and you look down, and you see the little houses and little trees all of earths problems look so small from a distance. So its really all perspective (to a huge degree anyways - for example marathoners run 26 miles and then collapse one step right after the finish line), even though we may be negative, and of course even rightly so given the conditions. I work to prepare (if anything just for the emotional well being even if I die early!!!) and look forward to each new spring and planting. Remember life is tough, but maybe not the life after! Some thought came to me one day "we create our life in the world to be by the things we do in the world we see". All of life is a stage and we are the drama. I currently find that I don't want to be a part of that drama anymore, especially cause the wood floor sure is isn't any good for digging. Kunstler had said in his presentation "Life is tragic", and he also had a picture of an airliner with a thought bubble going up into the sky and the words "fill 'er up with.... uh.... technology?". Give me technology! So I drink, I drive (but not necessarily in that order of course - unless I want to die) in my 2000 pound vehicle to and from work, I see the insanity and hilariousness of it all, I plan for spring, plant stuff like Rampion, Day Lilies, Jerusalem Artichokes, etc and hopefully will be ready for the crash. A light load for anyone to be sure. But I don't know how else to deal with it and everything else seems trivial now...

Tom Brown Jr was a survivalist who lived in the woods for over ten years with practically no tools except for a knife. It's almost consoling now ever time I read his books and his information and the vision quests he has. He even wrote a book on plant identification, in addition to books on his experiences. Grandfather told him the future is like the palm of the hand, with the fingers representing the many possible futures that could be had and one of the fingers was the most probable future but this could change. Grandfather suspected that before the flock of birds changed course it was one bird that came up with the thought. Its good to get a store of written books that you can go back to and read. When the computer, the internet is down we'll have hard copies of all the good stuff, and life won't be as miserable. Survivalists focus on the survivalist stuff but its also important to stock up on good books too, for ye shall not live by bread alone, when I was a child I spoke as a child but when I grew up I put all those childish things aside.... (grin!) Just having fun of course!!! Throughout the land
Snooorreeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....


Great Post! I couldn't have said it better.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 02:54:32

The snide try to project an image of jaded knowing. The most essential part of life, they can't know. Cynicism and nihilism shield them from hurt and disappointment, but also from hope. Life is a spiritual battle and one you habituate to hopelessness, you have delivered the first knock out punch--to yourself. You can't get up off the matt until you drop the sneer, the jocular put-downs, the inevitable lack of compassion for others.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby NEOPO » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 04:17:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cestlavie', 'H')ey, relax people! Just remember, you have plenty of movies to watch, and music, and TV, and radio and and ice cream! And candy (and beer and wine... ) Ok, ok, anyway. Just look at the bright side. Ultimately if we look into Near Death Experience, somewhere in there (all those books -about NDE) is a quote "life is the real death". And I read somewhere 'Death is like birth into the real life'. Honestly, I don't know what the real truth is. But when your up in the sky flying in a cessna two seater (or whatever your flying in) and you look down, and you see the little houses and little trees all of earths problems look so small from a distance. So its really all perspective (to a huge degree anyways - for example marathoners run 26 miles and then collapse one step right after the finish line), even though we may be negative, and of course even rightly so given the conditions. I work to prepare (if anything just for the emotional well being even if I die early!!!) and look forward to each new spring and planting. Remember life is tough, but maybe not the life after! Some thought came to me one day "we create our life in the world to be by the things we do in the world we see". All of life is a stage and we are the drama. I currently find that I don't want to be a part of that drama anymore, especially cause the wood floor sure is isn't any good for digging. Kunstler had said in his presentation "Life is tragic", and he also had a picture of an airliner with a thought bubble going up into the sky and the words "fill 'er up with.... uh.... technology?". Give me technology! So I drink, I drive (but not necessarily in that order of course - unless I want to die) in my 2000 pound vehicle to and from work, I see the insanity and hilariousness of it all, I plan for spring, plant stuff like Rampion, Day Lilies, Jerusalem Artichokes, etc and hopefully will be ready for the crash. A light load for anyone to be sure. But I don't know how else to deal with it and everything else seems trivial now...

Tom Brown Jr was a survivalist who lived in the woods for over ten years with practically no tools except for a knife. It's almost consoling now ever time I read his books and his information and the vision quests he has. He even wrote a book on plant identification, in addition to books on his experiences. Grandfather told him the future is like the palm of the hand, with the fingers representing the many possible futures that could be had and one of the fingers was the most probable future but this could change. Grandfather suspected that before the flock of birds changed course it was one bird that came up with the thought. Its good to get a store of written books that you can go back to and read. When the computer, the internet is down we'll have hard copies of all the good stuff, and life won't be as miserable. Survivalists focus on the survivalist stuff but its also important to stock up on good books too, for ye shall not live by bread alone, when I was a child I spoke as a child but when I grew up I put all those childish things aside.... (grin!) Just having fun of course!!! Throughout the land
Snooorreeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....


Great Post! I couldn't have said it better.

Of course you couldnt as we all know you cant even pronounce let alone spell half those words! :)

TB - Aw now stop it as you know I care, we are doing the right thing by moving toward sustainability and all that yet the root of this is do you really trust people.
Do you? as in all of them?
They frighten the shit out of me especially en mass.
I dont hate them I just doubt their ability to get along well post peak so I dont want to be too near a herd of them when they stampede! :-D
Now tell me you dont kinda feel the same way which is a mild, soft and gentle example of cynicism.
My heart is free and I have the courage to follow her.

Bas -I wake up on fire man, you couldnt put me out with niagara falls and that little bit of fuel you tossed on me lasted about a nanosecond.
Maybe try alittle helium3 or perhaps some uranium next time :)
My cage is made of old bones and rattles all the time anyways.....
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby Mu » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 06:16:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'L')ook up Diogenes the Cynic. His comments are truly cynical. Modern cynicism is a misnomer for a depressed pessimist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

Wow, this guy is my new hero!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erformance artist, exhibitionist and philosopher, Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace, peed on the man who insulted him, defecated in the ampitheatre, and pointed at people with his middle finger.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen asked how to avoid the temptation to lust of the flesh, Diogenes began masturbating. When rebuked for doing so, he replied, "If only I could soothe my hunger by rubbing my belly."
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby Bas » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 07:44:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '
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Who Cares?!

And I disagree strongly. Cynicism has really helped me optimally prepare my family fo rthe future.


You care, apparently, as you disagree strongly. Strangely enough I don't disagree with you as you came up with a positive aspect of our cynicism, that I don't think anybody can deny.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby Concerned » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 08:28:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'L')ook up Diogenes the Cynic. His comments are truly cynical. Modern cynicism is a misnomer for a depressed pessimist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

Wow, this guy is my new hero!


LOL yeah he is a real hoot. Check out this quote from the article...

On a voyage to Aegina, he was captured by pirates and sold as a slave in Crete to a Corinthian named Xeniades. Being asked his trade, he replied that he knew no trade but that of governing men, and that he wished to be sold to a man who needed a master

Man and thats 350BC what an attitude. And the bit about soothing his hunger by rubbing his belly... Hilarious :lol:
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 13:14:12

Neopo, I'm cynical about politics, politicians corporations and organized religion. I don't see how anybody can fail to be. I believe instituions can be changed overcome or replaced, so my cynicism isn't of the completely hopeless variety.
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Re: Cynical people claim to know it all.

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 20:05:39

Cynics are idealists at heart - they've merely had their idealism thwarted by the trials of life. But it remains at their core.
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