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Re: Gleeful PO
by goldmund52 » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 21:01:21
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')I am new here but the two things that piss me off about this board are;
1. People trying to tell everyone how bad PO will be. (Yes, we know; that's why we're here.)
2. Posters looking forward to PO because then they can say 'I told you so' to all their real friends.
')I am new here but the two things that piss me off about this board are;
1. People trying to tell everyone how bad PO will be. (Yes, we know; that's why we're here.)
2. Posters looking forward to PO because then they can say 'I told you so' to all their real friends.
I agree in the following way. It seems like people have an almost universal psychological propensity to imagine or visualize the end of the world as we know it. It's a common thread in most religions, from the 2nd coming of JC, millenialists, the messiah, the apocalypse, etc. Heck, the basic notion of heaven is a desire for there to be a world better than this one. I get the feeling that some of the posts here are caught up in this psychology, like some of the Y2Kers were. And some of it boils down to misanthropy. Some people are eager for the comeuppance of certain groups according to their politics or prejudices.
On the other hand, some major problems seem to be on the horizon, so it makes sense that these psycological tendencies would somehow serve us in preparing for the future. I enjoy the viewpoint of the Doomers even if I think they are catastrophizing.
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Re: Gleeful PO
by PenultimateManStanding » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 21:13:32
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')And some of it boils down to misanthropy.
')And some of it boils down to misanthropy.
Bingo! I'd rather be a tree.
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Re: Gleeful PO
by smallpoxgirl » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 23:10:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spot5050', '2'). Posters looking forward to PO because then they can say 'I told you so' to all their real friends.
Well...I've probably been one of the more outspoken pro-peakers. (which maybe means you're ignoring me and I'm talking to myself) It certainly isn't because of some desire to snub my friends. It's years of watching the world that I value come to a brutal end. Everytime a 1000 year old redwood tree gets chopped up to make a porch for some yuppie box...my world ends. Everytime I see signs by a river saying I shouldn't eat the fish because of toxins in the river, my world ends. Everytime a forest gets flattened for another mono-culture subdivision, my world ends. Everytime Shell or Occidental Petroleum drives an indigenous people off their land or drives a few more species extinct or trashes a few more acres of rain forest, my world ends. It is not some sadistic desire to see the world end or to see people suffer that drives me. It is a different conception of what is valuable in the world.
It is precisely because I have hope for the future that I am pro-peak. I love the world. I love all plants that grow here and all the creatures that live here. I love sunrises and trees and dragon flies and deer and racoons and clean water and cold winter mornings. I love to sit in awe and stare at the mountains. I even love humans. I just think that humans have been kinda sick for the last couple hundred years. They've developed an inexpicable love of destroying the world around them. The American Indians reffered to it as the white man's gold sickness. I think that Madre Tierra loves us, and she cares for us, and she will cure us. Like all children, we may not necessarily understand her plan, but she does have our best interest at heart. It may hurt in the short term, but ultimately it will work out for the best. We have an important role to play in the order of things, and it's time we stopped acting like spoiled children trying to break all the toys.
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by mindfarkk » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 23:56:30
spg - i have not experienced you as sadistic at all. i share many of your experiences and benefit from your insights. i have not known you to gloat, intimidate, or bluster. you do not seem to be mean-spirited or grandiose.
as i have said, there are many people here who believe that very hard times are coming and who state what they believe and recommend in a clear, direct, practical way, who can even be challenging without being insulting, hysterical, and self-congratulatory.
there are others who appear to really enjoy, revel, in telling people how much they are going to suffer PO. i think there is a big difference between being able to perceive some positive aspects, which i think you have described very elegantly above while communicating strength and faith in your vision of truth, as compared to taking pleasure in the idea of other people suffering while oneself "wins" some big contest of survival.
basically everyone on this board is free to choose who they believe and who they want to buy into. i am supporting the OP of this thread to screen out people who seem genuinely unhelpful as a way of coping with the distress.
If you feel you *get off* on telling people how bad it's going to get, you are probably one of the people i'm talking about - spg i suspect if you ask yourself that, the answer is NO. But there will always be people who want to do that. So if you want to be strong enough to deal with PO you have to be strong enough and smart enough to consider the source and screen out information that is designed to harm rather than help.
as i have said, there are many people here who believe that very hard times are coming and who state what they believe and recommend in a clear, direct, practical way, who can even be challenging without being insulting, hysterical, and self-congratulatory.
there are others who appear to really enjoy, revel, in telling people how much they are going to suffer PO. i think there is a big difference between being able to perceive some positive aspects, which i think you have described very elegantly above while communicating strength and faith in your vision of truth, as compared to taking pleasure in the idea of other people suffering while oneself "wins" some big contest of survival.
basically everyone on this board is free to choose who they believe and who they want to buy into. i am supporting the OP of this thread to screen out people who seem genuinely unhelpful as a way of coping with the distress.
If you feel you *get off* on telling people how bad it's going to get, you are probably one of the people i'm talking about - spg i suspect if you ask yourself that, the answer is NO. But there will always be people who want to do that. So if you want to be strong enough to deal with PO you have to be strong enough and smart enough to consider the source and screen out information that is designed to harm rather than help.
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by Concerned » Tue 28 Dec 2004, 00:15:49
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')It is precisely because I have hope for the future that I am pro-peak. I love the world. I love all plants that grow here and all the creatures that live here. I love sunrises and trees and dragon flies and deer and racoons and clean water and cold winter mornings. I love to sit in awe and stare at the mountains. I even love humans. I just think that humans have been kinda sick for the last couple hundred years. They've developed an inexpicable love of destroying the world around them. The American Indians reffered to it as the white man's gold sickness. I think that Madre Tierra loves us, and she cares for us, and she will cure us. Like all children, we may not necessarily understand her plan, but she does have our best interest at heart. It may hurt in the short term, but ultimately it will work out for the best. We have an important role to play in the order of things, and it's time we stopped acting like spoiled children trying to break all the toys.
')It is precisely because I have hope for the future that I am pro-peak. I love the world. I love all plants that grow here and all the creatures that live here. I love sunrises and trees and dragon flies and deer and racoons and clean water and cold winter mornings. I love to sit in awe and stare at the mountains. I even love humans. I just think that humans have been kinda sick for the last couple hundred years. They've developed an inexpicable love of destroying the world around them. The American Indians reffered to it as the white man's gold sickness. I think that Madre Tierra loves us, and she cares for us, and she will cure us. Like all children, we may not necessarily understand her plan, but she does have our best interest at heart. It may hurt in the short term, but ultimately it will work out for the best. We have an important role to play in the order of things, and it's time we stopped acting like spoiled children trying to break all the toys.
I love the world to and humans. I just happen to think that there are far too many humans on this planet at the moment. It's a balance thing.
Im fairly certain the peak will happen just unsure of the time frame and severity as there are so many variables that could help soften the blow.
War is the biggest chance of a hard landing.
If globally we can come together and say
1. we do have an overpopulation program
2. we have a problem with our dominant political paradigm of capatilism addicted to ever increasing growth
3. The fractional banking system is bankrupt and needs to be replaced with something else.
If we collectively can start addressing some of these issues perhaps we can make a start on reducing the impact and severity of Peak Oil and the ultimate Peak being Peak Earth, yes amazing as it sounds it is a finite resource.
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