Gleeful PO

by **spot5050** » Sun 26 Dec 2004, 20:24:27

You are reading this thread so you are almost certainly a PO advocate. Why do so many posters on this board 'preach' PO? Surely this is a discussion board, not a mutual Adult content deleted..

I am new here but the two things that upset me off about this board are;
1. People trying to tell everyone how bad PO will be. (Yes, we know; that's why we're here.)
2. Posters looking forward to PO because then they can say 'I told you so' to all their real friends.

I've discovered the 'ignore' feature now and have managed to block some of the worst offenders

by **Sencha** » Sun 26 Dec 2004, 21:31:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve discovered the 'ignore' feature now and have managed to block some of the worst offenders

by **spot5050** » Sun 26 Dec 2004, 23:08:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sencha', 'W')hat are you afraid of? That someone will come along and say something to make you feel dumb?

by **mindfarkk** » Sun 26 Dec 2004, 23:54:05

i agree that some folks seem to take a real pleasure in telling people how bad it's going to get. There are some posters who seem to love to tell people how much they are going to suffer and how they will *never* make it in a PO world (whereas of course the poster will, and one gets the impression will dance on our unburied, emaciated corpses). i think it's safe to say this is a form of sadism, to take pleasure in someone's pain (even if only imagined while writing the post). It seems to me to be an attempt to feel powerful.

like yourself, i mostly ignore such posts.

there are some other people who have a pretty grim outlook, but who don't seem to take pleasure in (attempting to) push other people's face in the dirt. Rather, they seem genuinely interested in discussing how to handle the worst case scenario, and are often willing to share their own expertise.

when i read a post that is emotionally balanced, does not smack of egotism, and is logically consistent, i take the poster seriously, regardless of their take on PO. i don't care much if it's full of typos or not. there are some very well-spoken people who make no sense at all.

i just suggest you ignore them and move on. there are some awesome people here and you will figure out who they are pretty fast, and also who you can not waste your time with. you aren't going to change anyone, so might as well practice acceptance. and, conserve your personal energy

. no point in throwing it away on pointless battles over personalities.

now if i can just manage to take my own advice!

by **Specop_007** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 00:25:01

I think its pretty Expletive deleted. depressing really. I look around and see families who are working to get ahead, to reach their dreams. Its hard to see a happy family with hopes and dreams starting out, and have to think that those hopes and dreams will be shattered on the rocks of high energy prices.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 01:23:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mindfarkk', 'c')onserve your personal energy

. no point in throwing it away on pointless battles over personalities.

now if i can just manage to take my own advice!

by **savethehumans** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 01:46:00

I know. It's why it's impossible to explain why I don't just find a "normal" job, save for retirement, be in the mainstream. There is NO POINT to any of that. But just TRY to explain that to anybody, and see how far you get. You're thinking "need to prepare"; they're thinking "lazy freeloader."

It's heartbreaking. And if there weren't people like you to post to, I'd probably begin to think they're right, and start considering suicide. So, yeah, folks, the "doom and gloom" IS depressing--but we've GOT to get it out of ourselves SOMEHOW, and here is one of the few outlets available to do that.

Don't know if that answers the original "why do we preach to the choir" question, but it's the best I can do....

by **spot5050** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 01:53:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'w')hy do we 'preach to the choir'"

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 02:08:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'I') know. It's why it's impossible to explain why I don't just find a "normal" job, save for retirement, be in the mainstream. There is NO POINT to any of that. But just TRY to explain that to anybody, and see how far you get. You're thinking "need to prepare"; they're thinking "lazy freeloader."

It's heartbreaking. And if there weren't people like you to post to, I'd probably begin to think they're right, and start considering suicide. So, yeah, folks, the "doom and gloom" IS depressing--but we've GOT to get it out of ourselves SOMEHOW, and here is one of the few outlets available to do that.

Don't know if that answers the original "why do we preach to the choir" question, but it's the best I can do....

by **Coolman** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 03:05:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). People trying to tell everyone how bad PO will be. (Yes, we know; that's why we're here.)

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 03:38:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', '
')And seriously, maybe you should just think for one minute and open your damn eyes to what is going on.

by **Specop_007** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 04:50:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '[')I know how you feel. --snip-- I can't help feeling I've got to do everything possible for them but I'm haunted by the Ballad Of Hollis Brown.

by **Grasshopper** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 07:06:30

This talk of Hollis Brown worries me.
Please don't get so worked up about this, that you seriously consider his solution.
In 10 years Rosy will be 21, it is likely to take at least that long for dire effects of peak oil to become manifest, and it may come to pass that no-one in the USA starves from the results of peak oil. If you think we are all doomed, better to use the woman from the Terminator as a role model, and teach your children to survive. You are so right however, every day is a blessing.

As for you young guys like savethehumans and Sencha; I know you will continue to post what you will, but it IS depressing. I wish you could relax a bit, consider there are many careers that would be useful in a post-peak world. You could start consulting on making housing much more energy-efficient, for example, using principles you've learned by being a contributor to this forum, which would be a normal-type job, but very helpful from a personal economic scale to community-wide.

As for the ones gleefully looking forward to the post-peak crash, I hope I never meet any of you.

by **stu** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 09:10:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spot5050', 'Y')ou are reading this thread so you are almost certainly a PO advocate. --snip-- I've discovered the 'ignore' feature now and have managed to block some of the worst offenders

by **mindfarkk** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 10:16:17

i don't think spot5050 is trying to get downon the doomers, exactly. it's that "preaching to the choir" that was mentioned above. also those who feel the need to promote panic.

not allowing fear to dictate my every move does not = denial or willful blindness.

by **stu** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 10:31:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mindfarkk', 'i') don't think spot5050 is trying to get downon the doomers, exactly. it's that "preaching to the choir" that was mentioned above. also those who feel the need to promote panic.

not allowing fear to dictate my every move does not = denial or willful blindness.

by **Aaron** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 11:05:43

As a self-described "moderate" peaker myself, I share some of the misgivings many have from the "doomer" crowd predictions.

The reason I'm a moderate is that I always suspect that it's what I don't know I don't know, which weights the equations in unexpected ways, (by definition).

I reason that this "unknown" quantity applies both ways statistically, (equally affecting the doom & soft landing philosophies), equating to a numerical "wash", in terms of predictive impacts.

In the year since PO.com has been around, we have explored the ideas of Tesla, Abiotic oil, zero point energy, H3, and many other "fringe" energy topics, as well as the various "we are doomed" scenarios. All of these amid a constant background of smaller, more personal topics like emotional reaction, being prepared, power-down lifestyles etc...

My thinking here includes floating just about any idea which might be relevant, with the intent of leaving no stone unturned.

This site's owner & myself, (our partnership & friendship having evolved in this very environment) agree in supporting the idea of a fairly "open" philosophy in managing this forum, based on this premise.

This reminds me of the idea of forum archeology.

Since many of the same ideas get rehashed on occasion here, a group effort to consolidate some of the most common might be useful.

A beginning has already been pioneered in our FAQ section, but could be formalized into what is considered to be "PO Prerequisites" or "Common PO knowledge".

thougts or volunteers?

by **Grasshopper** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 11:41:05

um. . . sorry, savethehumans, I thought you were younger, but I just saw on the other topic that you were a boomer.

It's funny, even though I have lots of other things to attend to, I still keep checking in on PO, to see what's new, some kind of horrid fascination, I guess.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 13:16:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grasshopper', 'T')his talk of Hollis Brown worries me.
Please don't get so worked up about this, that you seriously consider his solution.
In 10 years Rosy will be 21

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Mon 27 Dec 2004, 15:01:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grasshopper', '
') better to use the woman from the Terminator as a role model, and teach your children to survive.

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