[PenultimateManStanding]

My eldest daughter came down from LA for Christmas. She gave me a biography of Paul Gauguin, the collected stories of Kafka, and Marquez' Hundred Years Of Solitute. I thanked her for the biography telling her that I always enjoy reading about the real artists and told her the story of the connection between the world's most beloved artist Van Gogh and Gauguin. I told her how I was actually thinking of getting Kafka's collected stories so the gift was perfect. And I told her how I'd already read Marquez but thanks anyway since it isn't in my library. Then I told her the amazing story of Maurice Utrillo, the drunken fool with a talent for painting whose paintings sold for much higher prices in his own lifetime than Picasso. I've told you this before folks but if you didn't hear me, go to the library and get the biography of Maurice Utrillo. Anyway, I told Carol about Utrillo's famous quote: I'm not crazy, I'm just an alchoholic. Carol said I've heard that before. I said, "well that's where it comes from." Then the subject turned to another issue of where did this come from. The subject of subliminal manipulation. I told Carol all about what I've shared here in this forum about how we are being subliminally manipulated. Reebok, Beatles, Picasso and so forth. Carol said she's got to go back and listen to that Beatle song again when my son Tom chimed in saying a whole list of musical groups who have used subliminal messages. How did your Christmas fare?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', ' ')How did your Christmas fare?

[Such]

if you like gaughin... read the book Moon and Six Pence.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Now for the psychology lesson. My eldest daughter Carol left a message once in protest to her Mother that she was closer to her Father. Carol used to "defend" her younger sisters by beating up her younger brother. Now Tom and and Carol are"close'" and Carol takes Tom every year to the Comicon Convention. Tom says he forgives her and forgets that she used to torture him. But I can detect the strain. Tom is saying to Carol, "You can't identify with Dad because you are female. I can because I am male!" Life is a bitch. Parenting is a crapshoot.

[Jack]

This has been an ongoing theme in a couple of your threads...I agree with the premise, though I believe that the manipulation is (partly) more subtle than you mention, and, also partly, more blatant. It could be argued that showing a particularly nice image of a fast-food hamburger at dinner time is manipulation. Using the term "under-privileged" is another manipulation; notice the loading of the terms when compared with the more succinct term, "poor".

But I guess I wonder what your point is. Yes, we ARE manipulated, a lot, in a variety of ways...but what is the next step you want us to take?

[PenultimateManStanding]

Hello Jack. Back when I had a TV I always felt that I was being manipulated, and I resented it. I'm not sure of what I'm saying to people.
Perhaps its get rid of your TV. But I know how most folks are hopelessly addicted to TV. My feelings were echoed by Merle Haggard when he sang, "Are we headed downhill like a snowball headed for Hell?"

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'H')ello Jack. Back when I had a TV I always felt that I was being manipulated, and I resented it. I'm not sure of what I'm saying to people.
Perhaps its get rid of your TV. But I know how most folks are hopelessly addicted to TV. My feelings were echoed by Merle Haggard when he sang, "Are we headed downhill like a snowball headed for Hell?"

[grassland]

you can watch the debates on internet now. Don't even need a TV to get garbage.

[hope_full]

The villain is not always male - at least not in Disney movies. The vilian in Disney flicks is often the powerful woman. And all powerful women in Disney flicks use their power for evil because we all know that a powerful woman MUST BE an evil woman.

Sigh.

Look at The Little Mermaid. Wanna talk about subliminal messages? Yeesh. Ariel gives up her VOICE to get the man of her dreams. The best woman (apparently) is the silent, demure, deferential woman. (twitch, twitch)

The wicked wet witch has power and uses it for evil. Note, she's also ugly and overweight. I used to show that movie to my children as an object point in how our emotions, feelings and perceptions are purposefully manipulated by Hollywood.

My point is that men aren't the only ones villified in the hollywood-produced movies.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', 'T')he villain is not always male - at least not in Disney movies. The vilian in Disney flicks is often the powerful woman. And all powerful women in Disney flicks use their power for evil because we all know that a powerful woman MUST BE an evil woman.

Sigh.

Look at The Little Mermaid. Wanna talk about subliminal messages? Yeesh. Ariel gives up her VOICE to get the man of her dreams. The best woman (apparently) is the silent, demure, deferential woman. (twitch, twitch)

The wicked wet witch has power and uses it for evil. Note, she's also ugly and overweight. I used to show that movie to my children as an object point in how our emotions, feelings and perceptions are purposefully manipulated by Hollywood.

My point is that men aren't the only ones villified in the hollywood-produced movies.