[I_Like_Plants]

We already have the framework for this in the US in the form of our prison labor programs. I actually saw this weird "prison industries" catalog once, it was the size of the old Sears Catalog, same shape and thin color pages, just like the old Sears cat.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'W')e already have the framework for this in the US in the form of our prison labor programs. I actually saw this weird "prison industries" catalog once, it was the size of the old Sears Catalog, same shape and thin color pages, just like the old Sears cat.

[I_Like_Plants]

Ah, yes, ok, well, thanks, I don't need any Skilcraft pens right now.... hehe....

I have heard some countries/companies do not like to do business with the US because of sanctions or ethics against slave labor.

[FourOfSwords]

Lots of spiders skittering around in my head today...
Do you think that PO will be an opportunity for slavery to raise it's head again here in N. America ?
Extant in many parts of the world, various types of slavery still exist and sadly are thriving. With no valid excuse, it seems to have been part of human organized culture since the first urban centers arose during the agricultural revolution.
Today we still have child slavery, sex slavery, trafficking in black market babies, does anyone feel this will not be a huge wave crashing on the shores of N. America as things get even worse?
Will slavery become the standard type of labor exchange?
Or would we have something more akin to serfdom?
Would you have any choice but to submit to some form of slavery , if it meant that was the only way to feed yourself and your family?
I can't see TPTB willing to feed mllions of hungry mouths that aren't in some way productive.
Would you find some form of security in being a slave? You would be fed, housed, and probably 'pumped' regularly, but you would not be one of the starving masses of zombies or crazies, and hopefully you would not have to degrade to cannibalism.
Hmmm, great choice slavery or cannibalism...
Will TPTB use slavery as a form of punishment, outside of execution for 'serious' crimes?
Would you own or 'trade' in slaves if it meant saving your ass and living another day?
So many niceties we have in this 'modern' society that we don't have to worry about watching our sons or daughters becoming sex slaves and such for the local elite/tough guy...
There. I've fumigated those spiders out of my head!
A.

[lateralus]

Hey A. , would you mind stepping on this box and showing me your teeth?

Going once, going twice, sold to the pervert in the buttless leather chaps for 3 chickens and a shovel.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', 'D')o you think that PO will be an opportunity for slavery to raise it's head again here in N. America ?

[mmasters]

With the current increasing population and decreasing resources I think totalitarianism/facism becomes a dominant force seen necessary by TBTB. And it will become more and more so eventually leading to something in all likelyhood quite horrible.

Outlook = bad

[Eli]

As we enter the energy crunch, the one energy source that we will have in abundance is that of human labor.

There are already examples in the sugar fields of Brazil where virtual slavery is going on for the reason you listed. These are people who have no where else to go, and work under horrendous conditions just so they are able to eat and live. The heavy use of human labor in the sugar fields contributes to the much higher EROI of sugar based ethanol.

It would not be too hard to imagine people like ADM setting up Mexican immigrants in bunk houses and have them harvest corn.

Being able to work for food is a good option when your only other choice is death.

Slavery, where people are bought and sold will not happen in my opinion. For slavery to take place there will have to be a shortage of labor. That does not seem likely in the near future there will be a massive excess of people looking for work.

ADM and Conagra will not have to go out and buy slaves, all the companies will have to do is allow them to work.

This might have something to do with how tptb seem intent on open boarders between the US and Mexico.

Dick Cheney knows what time it is and I am sure many in power know how important utilizing human labor will be in the future.

[holmes]

Its not just going to be those oh so poor Mexicans! For fucking christs sake stop with the pathetic white liberal guilt trip shit! It so fucking weak! A pathetic lie. Stop breeding like rats. It will be ALL races and colors being enslaved. The so called "poor" in America is a joke. They have fat asses and bellies these poo and downtroddens! The fuxing illegals are fat! I am lean and mean! What the fuck gives here? Stop Im humming with hands over ears. get with reality. Those that make parasitic decisions I will not support. Good put em all in the fields! I pick my own food and am right out there in the growing seasons with these "poo and downtrodden". stop lying. They are not what you think they are and what the media and politicians tell you. They deserve to be enslaved and whipped if need be. Thats what they are. They can be nothing else. God the detachment is unbelievable.

[FourOfSwords]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'H')ey A. , would you mind stepping on this box and showing me your teeth?

Going once, going twice, sold to the pervert in the buttless leather chaps for 3 chickens and a shovel.

[kevincarter]

It would be quite pathetic if blacks after becoming "free men" are turned back into slavery again. All this to say that I guess if you've heard your grand father explaining cotton plant stories there is no way you are gonna get back in a cage without putting up an enourmous fight.

On the other hand I see many people that do not even have respect for their own life, like the beated woman who "loves her husband", the wrongly sentenced that "stills believes in justice", the guy beated by a cop who still thinks "cops are to protect and to serv" and so on... combine that with high doses of poverty and fear and you may get the slavery coktail, but only after stteping over the US constitution.

[Eli]

Holmes, come on don't hold back tell us how you really feel.

Well I think Mexicans will be better workers and there is already plenty of evidence that says that this is true now.


The poor of Mexico understand what it really means to be poor. Many of them have no education what so ever, the best they can do is find work doing manual labor. Like you said they are set up to be slaves.

In the US however the poor have cell phones and cars and they are very used to receiving government handouts. There will be plenty of these people who will never realize they need to work or they will die. They will just sit around waiting on the Government to bail them out and die waiting.

And above them there will be a ton of formally middle class people who have degrees or attended college that will not be able to accept that their job and their whole field of employment is no longer needed. Working for food is going to be hard for them to accept and some won't do it.

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'H')ey A. , would you mind stepping on this box and showing me your teeth?

Going once, going twice, sold to the pervert in the buttless leather chaps for 3 chickens and a shovel.

[basil_hayden]

holmes, as per usual, is right on the money.

I've talked with industrial capitalist types with deep pockets who started out with nothing - the problem as they see it is pure laziness. People are not wiling to work. The "poor" seek the entitlements and the "rich" day trade their way into uselessness. No value is provided, none whatsoever.

Me personally, I like to, want to, need to, work for what I have. The two groups mentioned above disgust me. I'm guessing it's a normal middle class perspective. Maybe not and I'm just a glutton for punishment.

For example, a few weeks ago I was speaking about stuff with a 21 y.o. male who had left Connecticut for Florida last August to find work. He's a carpenter/contractor. So he spent about six months down there, and you'd think there would be plenty of jobs to find down there with all the hurricane roofing work and whatever.

He said he couldn't find anything permanent, and then stated there was no way he was going to "work like a Mexican" (his words not mine, no prejudice intended, I totally respect any working person) as they walked 20 miles a day to and from work for low wages. I told this young man that he was right, he didn't have to work like a Mexican. He had to work two or three times as hard as a Mexican to get what he wanted, because what he wanted was probably so much more than any immigrant would want, immigrants just want to survive in comparison to the average young American male. The immigrant wants a car, the young American male wants a sports car or new pickup, for example.

The result of this conversation was that I was completely dumbfounded that a strapping 21-year old male would rather collect a check that forge his own way in the world. I just don't get it. He's in jail now for swiping $10K from his ex-girlfriend I believe, LOL. Fitting for this a tool, sometimes the story's end is fitting and justice is served. I hope Bubba never gets done with him.

With this anecdote in mind, the only way "management" is going to get the "workers" back to working is slavery, unless things get so bad that the majority of people actually have to perform labor to survive...and even that will just be planting food or developing a water supply or making shelter, it won't be labor to build the next gee-whiz wireless device or faster V8 engine...otherwise you make due with what you have and limit your desires accordingly.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'm')ake due with what you have and limit your desires accordingly.

[lateralus]

I'm looking for a servant that will be my driver, gardener, butler, and fitness coach. If you meet the requirements feel free to send me a PM.

[TheDude]

It will be very ironic to see members of the Klan pressed into slavery. We poor well-meaning white liberals, with our perfect teeth, we cared so much and tried to change the world for good...what did we do to deserve this?

[Jack]

Of course there will be slavery.

Will people sell their children or themselves for a few mouth-fulls of food? They have in the past. Why wouldn't they in the future?

Will people agree to work the land in exchange for a part of the crop - and, perhaps, even by tied to the land by law? They have in the past. Why won't they in future?

Will there be raiding parties? Perhaps. Will they take prisoners? Probably. Will they let the prisoners lie about consuming and doing nothing? Surely you jest!

Yes, there will be slaves and slavery. Bet on it.

[privatetartanarmy]

the increasing gobbling up of the world by corporate entities coupled with the increasing mountains of legislation drafted by their bought for politicians to ensure corporate advantages and shady intellectual copyrights/patents in a number of areas will mean that pretty soon the only thing that will be free will be the polluted air that we breathe. We are already closely monitored by excessive numbers of cctv cameras, our electronic communications are monitored, echelon can search our phone call and soon the UK government(all this is from my perspective as a UK citizen) will foist sinister id cards on to the public that will allow for the combination of all our transactions to be stored in the one database and info sold off for profit. We are encouraged to get ourselves into debt and when we do find ourselves caught in a financial tar pit with no escape. It all sounds like a form of slavery to me. granted, it's a form of slavery that relies on us accepting our bondage without question.

If that is how i see things as they stand, just imagine what i would consider life on the future to be like. We are all corporate slaves in the making.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'I')'m looking for a servant that will be my driver, gardener, butler, and fitness coach. If you meet the requirements feel free to send me a PM.