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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby cube » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 01:36:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.').. All $97 billion in PEMEX oil sales in 2006 went to the Mexican Govt to account for 40% of its budget.
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http://321energy.com/editorials/willie/ ... 32407.html
I wonder how many corn cortilla's you can buy with $97 B? :wink:
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 03:10:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', '
')Who knows...America may well revert back to being the continent it was for many millinea...red skinned. After all, your presence is bit a mere blink in its long history as the land of the red man.

It would be ironic were its original inhabitants once again instinctively to revert back to the demands of that land..following the theories of genetics and race..it does not strike me as unduly far fetched that a land must selectively MOULD its inhabitants to the demands of its environ.


Well, whites are only white because being white makes sense in the cold regions of Europe, covered up most of the time, the skin had to become very pale to still even begin to get enough Vitamin D. These are the people who came to Massachusetts and thought it was heaven!
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby americandream » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 05:06:38

Can you see your average american white dude living the life of his redskinned predecessors on the primeval prairies for an eternity..complete with harsh weather, blood thirsty tribalism and dubious cuisine...not very likely.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby Ludi » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 07:09:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('americandream', 'C')an you see your average american white dude living the life of his redskinned predecessors on the primeval prairies for an eternity..complete with harsh weather, blood thirsty tribalism and dubious cuisine...not very likely.


:lol: Actually the plains indians were pretty darn sophisticated and had even worked out a system of mostly symbolic warfare (though people still got badly hurt) to establish territorial boundaries. But, you're welcome to retain your 19th century bigotry if you must! :roll:
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby americandream » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 07:37:31

Actually, I have a deep admiration for tribal lifestyles such as that of the First Nation on your continent.

The men were hard..unlike the MGM manufactured caricatures you see cruising the malls these days, and the air was clean...a man couldn't have asked for more...and oh yeah...they weren't mean spirited.

Disputes were settled the only way...with a calm objectivity and without any of the synthetic melodrama that passes for compassion...and oh yeah, minus all the whining you encounter these days.

I can't stand these specimens that whine endlessly about this and that.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby IslandCrow » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 07:47:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'B')est advice I've read on the subject was what Edward Abbey had to say: Stop every campesino at our southern border, give him a handgun, a good rifle, and a case of ammunition, and send him home. He will know what to do with our gifts and good wishes. The people know who their enemies are.


Remember the US armed Saddam, and trained Osama bin Laden. Are you hoping that they would group together and invade the States?


I agree with Monte's post that it would pose significant problems for the States if Mexico, with 108 million people (2006) growing at 1,7% a year (2006's rate), went through an economic collapse. But I am too far removed to see how it might play out.

Maybe the economic collapse could be delayed if the price of crude oil went up, compensating for loss in physical production.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby americandream » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 08:33:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'B')est advice I've read on the subject was what Edward Abbey had to say: Stop every campesino at our southern border, give him a handgun, a good rifle, and a case of ammunition, and send him home. He will know what to do with our gifts and good wishes. The people know who their enemies are.


Remember the US armed Saddam, and trained Osama bin Laden. Are you hoping that they would group together and invade the States?


I agree with Monte's post that it would pose significant problems for the States if Mexico, with 108 million people (2006) growing at 1,7% a year (2006's rate), went through an economic collapse. But I am too far removed to see how it might play out.

Maybe the economic collapse could be delayed if the price of crude oil went up, compensating for loss in physical production.


There'll be a period of bloodletting and then it will all even out as the continent reverts back to its red heritage. If it threw up a red race, then that must be what the soil will revert you back to.

I suspect a few centureis from now, it will be a very different place so let nature do its work..theres not much any of us can do.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby Fishman » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 08:54:12

Being a slight amount Cherokee, americandream, I would have to say you have been participating in some of the southwestern tribe's rituals of partaking of peyote. What you say seems to have little base in reality.
A massive influx from our south would probably look like massive influxes of other immigrants recently in the world, refugee camps. Perhaps that was the Haliburton camps plan all along.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby erb » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 11:03:02

I've seen coments before about things getting back to normal after peak. where does anyone get the idea we'll "return to the land" and "nature will work it all out"

Nature got F'd in the A with all the shit we've done to it. how long does anyone think we'll last drinking from streams or lakes in our respective areas? especialy after peak when things will really get out of hand, coal? nuclear? and all our garbage leaking into our ground supply

before industrial revolution- no prob
after industrial revolution- good luck with that
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby Zardoz » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 18:59:18

How quickly we forget. BushCo knows exactly what's coming. They're making plans to deal with it:

Halliburton Subsidiary Gets Contract to Add Temporary Immigration Detention Centers

Hotel U.S.A.

Critics Fear Emergency Centers Could Be Used for Immigration Round-Ups

KBR Press Release

The only question is whether or not they're building enough camps. $385,000,000 may be way short. Of course, if Mexico's economy really does collapse, it won't matter how many camps we have, will it?
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby ALBY » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 21:42:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', '[')Remember the US armed Saddam.


did you eat paint chips as a kid ?

Iraq was a soviet client state. they were armed with migs, ak's and T 70's. soviet shit.

please keep your criticism leveled on the things we actually did.
that way, you'll maintain some credibility when doing so.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby AlCzervik » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 22:10:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ALBY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', '[')Remember the US armed Saddam.


did you eat paint chips as a kid ?

Iraq was a soviet client state. they were armed with migs, ak's and T 70's. soviet shit.

please keep your criticism leveled on the things we actually did.
that way, you'll maintain some credibility when doing so.




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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby jeffvail » Wed 28 Mar 2007, 22:11:12

Actually, the US did arm Saddam:

US Support for Iraq

Iraq was primarily a Soviet client state prior to the Iranian Revolution in '79, and purchased much Soviet hardware. After the Iranian revolution, however, the US decided that Iraq was the lesser of two evils and began to fund arm sales to Iraq.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby ALBY » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 14:13:18

bullshit.

what us arms systems did they field ?

we helped them resist the iranians, which was rational at the time. do you really think we gave saddam money to turn over to the russian arms industry ? we gave them intelligence, which is a whole different matter. with regard to the bio weapons, i thought you people havew made it clear that iraq had no WMD ???

and, i love how the moonbats pull out the picture of rumsfeld as proof we sold arms. almost as rich as the USA trained bin laden screed. we gave the mujahadeen stinger missiles. thats it. the saudi's funded the entire thing. you dumbass' make it sound like bin laden went to special warfare school in quanitco or something.

again, if you infotained knuckleheads would concentrate on the bad chit we really did, the neocons would not have taken over our foriegn policy and run us to the brink of of catastrophe. what passes for opposition in this country makes me want to puke. i swear to god, you have been infiltrated by agent provocateurs and goaded into ever deeper levels of stupidity. it's your fault that lord bush and darth cheney took power and will never relinquish it. YOU did not provide a credible alternative. go hang your head in shame.
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby dukey » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 15:11:18

lol
of course they armed saddam
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Re: War, Energy, Banks & USDollar

Postby Jester » Thu 29 Mar 2007, 21:44:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'A')long the same line, last week's Barron's included a story about energy stocks. One paragraph:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') really don't see a lot of non-OPEC production growth. Everything else is going to be dependent upon the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries being able to increase production. There will be some [rise] certainly out of Saudi Arabia, but are Venezuela, Nigeria, Iran or Iraq really going to increase their capacity? It's hard to say they are. This year, the world is going to use about 86 million barrels of oil per day. And if every oil well in the world were running, assuming 1.2% production growth, we are producing around 88 million barrels a day. Reserves that we are putting on, in general, don't produce as fast as the reserves we are replacing.


I suspect we'll see strong impacts, soon.

I wonder - what will the U.S. do as a flood of desperate would-be immigrants heads north?

I wonder - what will the U.S. do if Mexico's government fails and an insurgency begins?


Makes perfect sense why they were building detention centers in case of mass migration...
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Re: Technology will fix it...

Postby Tanada » Fri 04 May 2007, 20:43:51

These quotes could be from todays papers instead of 25 months old, has anyone in the MSM learned anything?
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Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Re: Technology will fix it...

Postby Newsseeker » Mon 07 May 2007, 08:21:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'T')hese quotes could be from todays papers instead of 25 months old, has anyone in the MSM learned anything?


No. No, they haven't unfortunately. That's how they stay employed.
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Mexican experts: Excessive exploitation depleted Cantarell

Postby DantesPeak » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 19:25:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eport by Esther Arzate: "Excessive Exploitation of Crude Oil, a Challenge That Affects Recovery of Cantarell"
While Mexican Petroleum (Pemex ) Director Jesus Reyes Heroles claims that no financial, human, or technological resources will be spared to turn Cantarell into a model oilfield for exploitation and recovery of oil on a worldwide scale, experts think that the parastate company has over-exploited that deposit and no plan will be able to make up for the drop in oil production from that gigantic field.

Improving oil extraction until reaching a level of at least 50 per cent is one of the Mexican oil company's priorities, because "being such a rich, large deposit, each percentage of recovery means lots of oil," according to the official. Nevertheless, experts claim that the deposit has been over-exploited and that no other deposit will be able to make up for the drop of 150,000 to 200,000 barrels a year that Cantarell will continue to record in the current six-year period.

The recovery of hydrocarbons in fields fluctuates between 25 per cent and 70 per cent, depending on the conditions of the fields, but "the idea is for deposits like Cantarell to be an example of recovery," Reyes Heroles said. He is asked: At what percentage? "We would be getting as close as possible to 50 per cent. We won't know that [percentage] until one day we can say: 'This is how much we got,'" he replied.

In the opinion of the director of the Centre for Economic Studies at the Monterrey Institute of Technology (Monterrey Tech), Leticia Armenta, the Cantarell megafield was over-exploited in recent years by Pemex because of the interest in taking advantage of the high price of oil, which was 21 dollars in 2002 and continued to rise until 2006, when it reached an all-time high of 53 dollars a barrel.

Source: El Financiero website, Mexico City, in Spanish 25 Sep 07
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[no direct link] Translated to English by BBC International Reports (Latin America) Sep 28, 2007. The article goes on to say that flaring (burning) of natural gas associated with oil production reduced the future recovery of crude oil.
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Re: Mexican experts: Excessive exploitation depleted Cantare

Postby XOVERX » Fri 28 Sep 2007, 23:50:23

The perfect illustration of the failure capitalism as capitalism applies to resource depletion.

Perhaps when the oil runs scarce the Mexicans can burn all those extra dollars that precious oil provided them?
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