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What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby burritos » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 19:26:22

Or is any attempt futile and a waste of time?
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby cynthia » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 19:48:24

burritos-
Go to the Planning for the Future forum. Then go to the Psychology forum.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby burritos » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 19:56:51

thanks. will do.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 21:31:50

You can volunteer to go in the thermal depolymerization machine.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby Jack » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 23:21:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burritos', 'O')r is any attempt futile and a waste of time?


Yes.

Although some of us amuse ourselves by collecting guns, ammunition, and MREs. 8)
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby TITAN » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 23:28:38

Find a way to eradicate 9/10ths of the worlds population...


Oh wait, bush and mahmoud are already working on that one...


hmm, just sit and wait...
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 26 Mar 2007, 23:48:14

All good suggestions - go into the thermal depolymerization machine, kill 9 other humans to justify your existance, etc. Not necessarily Peak Oil related but if you plan to check out, and can take a boardroom full of credit card company execs with you, that should be good for sainthood.

Just like Saint Kaczynski! :) :) :)

Now, on a more realistic basis, LEARN TO DO WITH LESS. Be like Einstein and do without socks! Be more like him and wear an old sweatshirt most of the time. Buy that old sweatshirt at Goodwill. Swear off buying new clothes. If you can swing it, swear off buying clothes, if at least you're a common size and scrounging is good in your area. Go onto a food budget. Get used to less, less, less. Drive your car less, get hooked up into the "car-free" movement and wean yourself off of the car or go cold turkey. Borrow library books instead of buying new books. Frequent dumpsters. Hold a "Peak Oil Sabbath" once in a while with no electricity, no running water, etc. Get used to less, less, less.

I am kind of doing this myself. I mean, I've long frequented dumpsters, and found a favorite shirt at the right price - someone left it hanging on the fence. The big thing for me, the crucial thing, is that I've been weaning myself off of things that cost money. Fun used to = ham radio stuff, new shiny books, stuff that cost $$. Then I got interested in playing violin, this is cool, it's a 1600s technology little wooden box, right? That's better, but now I'm starting to veer towards doing art, which is what everyone on my Universe expected me to do all, all the time I was growing up. You can paint with mud - I have painted with mud, actually! Some of my best work has been done wth ballpoint pen or one of those "roller ball" pens which I hate. Yes, done oils and acrylics and watercolors and even batik, but the point is, it's a very nonmaterialistic hobby. So what if someone steals my $4 sketch pad and $1.60 soft pencil, they must have really wanted 'em, nice to see such interest, I can get more.

Right now I am a person who has a small biz, and I was feeling bad because "I hardly get to spend any of this money I'm making on me". Well, now I finally realize, the key is to spend almost no money on me, so if the business goes to shit, I know it takes hardly anything to support me. The small biz is quite a consumer, I'm trying to consume as much as a mouse, if possible. I sit here in $3.50 goodwill pants and $7 Goodwill shoes.

My ultimate dream will be to be good enough at sketching folks that I can travel around with just a backpack if I have to, and make a living. The idea is to need less and less and less.

If you don't need much money and new goods, it's a lot harder for "them" to hurt you. It's a lot less trauma when the oil party ends if you're not using much of the stuff.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 00:04:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('burritos', 'O')r is any attempt futile and a waste of time?


Yes.

Although some of us amuse ourselves by collecting guns, ammunition, and MREs. 8)


Jack,

So true!
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby Aimrehtopyh » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 01:08:23

Don't install solar anything.
Don't buy a hybrid.
Don't even write your congressman.

You can either plug your ears and hum or get a gun and go Amish.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby seldom_seen » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 01:44:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'M')y ultimate dream will be to be good enough at sketching folks that I can travel around with just a backpack if I have to, and make a living. The idea is to need less and less and less.

This is good advice. I like the motto of 'Don't own anything you can't carry on your back at a dead run.' I'm not there yet. I'd have to leave some guns behind, that's what's bothering me.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 03:19:12

I have just seen the beginning of the final meltdown of Ebay. I may or may not be able to list stuff for the next month, maybe. After that, nada. I'm going to use Ebay, Craigs List, whatever, and liquidate all my stuff, and try to get things down to the old backpack load, and skedaddle. Hawaii, where my older sister live and where it's just so God damned cheap to live compared to the Mainland, is the best choice. My lease is up to early November but I don't think I can keep the rent paid that long. So, I guess I'll be a lease-breaker for the first time, well, in this depression we have coming, I won't be the last they get.

I need to get this lump checked out too, guess what, no savings, no health care, no nada. Probably nothing but ........ if it's not nothing, I don't want to spend my last 7 or 10 or whatever years slaving for the credit card companies.

I just don't fucking care any more.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 03:38:23

Use less oil.

There are multiple ways to go about this. Some involve sacrificing your quality of life. Some involve a large up front cost(due to non-technological factors) that allow you to save a bunch of money in the long run, without sacrificing living standard.

Talk to others about PO. Live by example.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 04:22:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') have just seen the beginning of the final meltdown of Ebay. I may or may not be able to list stuff for the next month, maybe. After that, nada. I'm going to use Ebay, Craigs List, whatever, and liquidate all my stuff, and try to get things down to the old backpack load, and skedaddle. Hawaii, where my older sister live and where it's just so God damned cheap to live compared to the Mainland, is the best choice. My lease is up to early November but I don't think I can keep the rent paid that long. So, I guess I'll be a lease-breaker for the first time, well, in this depression we have coming, I won't be the last they get.

I need to get this lump checked out too, guess what, no savings, no health care, no nada. Probably nothing but ........ if it's not nothing, I don't want to spend my last 7 or 10 or whatever years slaving for the credit card companies.

I just don't fucking care any more.


Amen to that! I don't care anymore either and it feels good! It's very liberating.

I don't have health insurance either, it's not as bad as people make it out to be... the odds of getting sick or injured are so low that it's almost irrelevant. .

Although I acknowledge the peak, I'm doing nothing to prepare for it because I'm screwed either way. I'm pretty sick with non-diabetic hypoglycemia and lose consciousness if I go longer than 8 hours without eating. How will I be able to survive in a world where food is scarce? How will I be able to hunt my food when I'm drifting in and out of conscioussness? I won't. I will definately be in the first 10% of the dieoff. I will give the survivors permission to eat my remains if they wish to.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 05:41:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '
')I don't have health insurance either, it's not as bad as people make it out to be... the odds of getting sick or injured are so low that it's almost irrelevant. .
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Yes but I dont want to work like a slave for the Beast to pay my debts because I'm not allowed by poverty to have healthcare, so I can't tell if this lump is malignant or not, and if I have a decade or less of life left, I don't want to spend it as a slave.

If I had healthcare it might be possible to fix the problem, ok things are fine, ok I work a decade than have 2 more to myself. No, not allowed to, may have 10 years left, or only 7 maybe, and the last few painful, so why should I lift a finger for the System? I'd rather spend the time doing the most damage to the System possible. The most damage I can think of is to not pay my debts.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby rostov » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 05:49:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'F')ind a way to eradicate 9/10ths of the worlds population...


Oh wait, bush and mahmoud are already working on that one...


hmm, just sit and wait...


Great advice. I'll break the popcorn / grain / MRE's. Note : best results and enjoyment at sidelines out of the way of the viruses, bio weapons, and nuke fallouts, etc. E.g. Easter island is quite out of the way....oh wait.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 07:01:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '
')I don't have health insurance either, it's not as bad as people make it out to be... the odds of getting sick or injured are so low that it's almost irrelevant. .
.


Yes but I dont want to work like a slave for the Beast to pay my debts because I'm not allowed by poverty to have healthcare, so I can't tell if this lump is malignant or not, and if I have a decade or less of life left, I don't want to spend it as a slave.

If I had healthcare it might be possible to fix the problem, ok things are fine, ok I work a decade than have 2 more to myself. No, not allowed to, may have 10 years left, or only 7 maybe, and the last few painful, so why should I lift a finger for the System? I'd rather spend the time doing the most damage to the System possible. The most damage I can think of is to not pay my debts.


Some cancers won't wait 7-10 years guy.

Get it looked at.

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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 07:22:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')ll good suggestions - go into the thermal depolymerization machine, kill 9 other humans to justify your existance, etc. Not necessarily Peak Oil related but if you plan to check out, and can take a boardroom full of credit card company execs with you, that should be good for sainthood.

Just like Saint Kaczynski! :) :) :)

Now, on a more realistic basis, LEARN TO DO WITH LESS. Be like Einstein and do without socks! Be more like him and wear an old sweatshirt most of the time. Buy that old sweatshirt at Goodwill. Swear off buying new clothes. If you can swing it, swear off buying clothes, if at least you're a common size and scrounging is good in your area. Go onto a food budget. Get used to less, less, less. Drive your car less, get hooked up into the "car-free" movement and wean yourself off of the car or go cold turkey. Borrow library books instead of buying new books. Frequent dumpsters. Hold a "Peak Oil Sabbath" once in a while with no electricity, no running water, etc. Get used to less, less, less.

I am kind of doing this myself. I mean, I've long frequented dumpsters, and found a favorite shirt at the right price - someone left it hanging on the fence. The big thing for me, the crucial thing, is that I've been weaning myself off of things that cost money. Fun used to = ham radio stuff, new shiny books, stuff that cost $$. Then I got interested in playing violin, this is cool, it's a 1600s technology little wooden box, right? That's better, but now I'm starting to veer towards doing art, which is what everyone on my Universe expected me to do all, all the time I was growing up. You can paint with mud - I have painted with mud, actually! Some of my best work has been done wth ballpoint pen or one of those "roller ball" pens which I hate. Yes, done oils and acrylics and watercolors and even batik, but the point is, it's a very nonmaterialistic hobby. So what if someone steals my $4 sketch pad and $1.60 soft pencil, they must have really wanted 'em, nice to see such interest, I can get more.

Right now I am a person who has a small biz, and I was feeling bad because "I hardly get to spend any of this money I'm making on me". Well, now I finally realize, the key is to spend almost no money on me, so if the business goes to shit, I know it takes hardly anything to support me. The small biz is quite a consumer, I'm trying to consume as much as a mouse, if possible. I sit here in $3.50 goodwill pants and $7 Goodwill shoes.

My ultimate dream will be to be good enough at sketching folks that I can travel around with just a backpack if I have to, and make a living. The idea is to need less and less and less.

If you don't need much money and new goods, it's a lot harder for "them" to hurt you. It's a lot less trauma when the oil party ends if you're not using much of the stuff.


I Like Plants, right on! I have done much of what you have(except the art part) and more, for nigh on almost 10 months! Very liberating!
The backpack thing, before I was married, was how I lived. I added a bike to that, and I was as free as any slave + servant = 'slervant' could hope to be.
Living like that, and watching everyone running around buying stuff and wearing themselves to a frazzle was fun. Of late though, I feel deep sorrow for humanity...so many lives wasted, so many people could have enjoyed beauty, laughter, dialogue, any pursuit that made them better individuals, and able to help their fellow man...sigh.
Hub...777... I wasn't aware there was non diabetic hypoglycemia. I am a diabetic hyperglycemic and figured I was toast post PO. Guess what. Reduced ALL the food I ate to 1 meal a day(great practice for PO hungry times) and guess what, normal blood sugars.
So I will not expire from diabetes post PO, although a 9mm Glock to the pumpkin will likely ruin my day. ;)
All the advice you've gotten so far Burrito is spot on. Take it and use it.
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 11:02:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '
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I like the motto of 'Don't own anything you can't carry on your back at a dead run.' I'm not there yet. I'd have to leave some guns behind, that's what's bothering me.



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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby jdmartin » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 11:33:48

Burrito,

I recommend you continue to come back to this site often for comic relief - I do and it always brightens my day! :) People here are funnier than any comic I've ever heard, at least some of them...
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Re: What can an individual do to lessen the crash of PO?

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Tue 27 Mar 2007, 11:49:31

"Hub...777... I wasn't aware there was non diabetic hypoglycemia. I am a diabetic hyperglycemic and figured I was toast post PO. Guess what. Reduced ALL the food I ate to 1 meal a day(great practice for PO hungry times) and guess what, normal blood sugars.
So I will not expire from diabetes post PO, although a 9mm Glock to the pumpkin will likely ruin my day.
All the advice you've gotten so far Burrito is spot on. Take it and use it.
Cheers.
A."

The cause of it is not known and it has a good chance of becoming diabetes. You see, for some reason, my pancreas secretes way too much insulin which lowers my blood glucose. Well, after years of excess insulin production, my cells insulin receptors lose their sensitivity, thus leading to diabetes.

And I tried going all day without food, it didn't work. I'm a total nut when I go to long without eating. I get very angry, I hallucinate, I hear voices in my head, etc. So I'm toast when the dieoff comes.

Like I said, I don't care about surviving. Death doesn't bother me, life is much more scary.
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