[128shot]

What the hell makes conspiracy theories behind things like the illumanti or council on foreign relations, or even the masons-believable to you? I do notice that an overwhelming majority of people on this forum believe that someone is in fact manipulating every little thing that goes on. Look on and on about the 9/11 threads for example, or the idea that the federal reserve is owned by a few elite people's.

Like that money masters video. its a conspiracy theorist dream. Yet where is the definitive proof? I haven't found any.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'W')hat the hell makes conspiracy theories behind things like the illumanti or council on foreign relations, or even the masons-believable to you? I do notice that an overwhelming majority of people on this forum believe that someone is in fact manipulating every little thing that goes on. Look on and on about the 9/11 threads for example, or the idea that the federal reserve is owned by a few elite people's.

Like that money masters video. its a conspiracy theorist dream. Yet where is the definitive proof? I haven't found any.

[TITAN]

There's alot more proof for the 'conspiracy' version of 911 then there is for a christian god, yet there are at least a billion sheep out there following that jeebus guy...

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')ouncil on foreign relations

[Eli]

Well the Federal Reserve is not a conspiracy theory it is a fact.

It is a quasi Governmental organization run by private banks. These major Banks were started and can trace their history directly back to the banking houses of Europe that began in the late 17th century. That is also a fact.

I for one find it disturbing that the actual money supply in the US is run by private banks and not the US government.

Does that bother you at all?

Does it bother you that these bankers created the Federal Reserve system after the panic of 1907 that they themselves help create?

Aliens and 911 I think is total Crap, the Illuminati not so much either but there are a lot of power players in this world who want to get and keep all the power they can.

[Bas]

I don't agree with the money masters video at all for the record.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'W')hat the hell makes conspiracy theories behind things like the illumanti or council on foreign relations, or even the masons-believable to you?

[NEOPO]

Start digging and for at least a few months do not stop.

You will begin to notice some things and one of the more obvious is how people react to subjects such as these.
It is quit clear that we/they have been conditioned.

If bigfoot picked your ass up and carried you off into the woods would that be your imagination running away with you?

Please disprove that the universe was not created a few seconds ago and that all of our memories were not simply implants.

Ponder how many possibly life sustaining planets that may exist amungst an infinite number of galaxies...

Money masters was easy - odd how people like Bas dont get it.
He has probably been "indoctrinated" into some related field of study and those kind are the hardest to reach.
Poor soul

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'W')hat the hell makes conspiracy theories behind things like the illumanti or council on foreign relations, or even the masons-believable to you?

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'S')tart digging and for at least a few months do not stop.

You will begin to notice some things and one of the more obvious is how people react to subjects such as these.
It is quit clear that we/they have been conditioned.

If bigfoot picked your ass up and carried you off into the woods would that be your imagination running away with you?

Please disprove that the universe was not created a few seconds ago and that all of our memories were not simply implants.

Ponder how many possibly life sustaining planets that may exist amungst an infinite number of galaxies...

Money masters was easy - odd how people like Bas dont get it.
He has probably been "indoctrinated" into some related field of study and those kind are the hardest to reach.
Poor soul

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', ' ')
lack of substantial evidence? The problem I have with all these theories, is that. There is absolutely no back story given. If you want to actually reach the masses, give them something to chew on. Its hard for me to believe it when its simply thrown out there.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'H')umans naturally can't keep secrets very well, so I often have a hard time believing these schemes can be that grand without some kind of whistle blowing going on.

[MonteQuest]

Here's a quote from David Rockefeller, chairman of the CFR from 1970-1985.

"We're grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government."

He spoke these words in 1991 in Germany while addressing a sister organization, the Bilderbergers. As to the globalist goals of the CFR, note the words of CFR member Richard N. Gardner, who in a 1974 Foreign Affairs(CFR publication) article titled "The Hard Road to World Order" wrote:

"In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, bussing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'H')umans naturally can't keep secrets very well,

[gg3]

For the record, I find most of the conspiracy theorizing to be utter bunk.

I have two general rules about conspiracy theories:

One, never attribute to conspiracy what can more parsimoniously be attributed to the sum of the outcome of self-interest on the part of a sufficient number of persons in power.

Two, never infer foresight where opportunism will do.

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These points are well demonstrated via a number of mathematical models of behavior. In a typical case, entities are programmed with a few simple behavioral rules, and when you have a sufficient number of entities, the behavior of the group appears to be an organized effort. You can create a digital ant hill that mimics a real one, and it appears that the group behaviors of the ants are purposive when in fact they are emergent.

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As for 9/11, a simpler explanation will do:

Someone in the Administration leaked to someone who works for Ahmed Chalabi, that we were planning a coordinated multi-service anti-terrorism training exercise for 9/11/2001. Chalabi then put the tasty tidbit up for sale, and thus it found its way into Osama's hands. Osama chose his date to match, intending to use the anti-terrorism simulations as a force multiplier, and it worked.

My proof? A similar leak: someone in the Admin leaked to one of Chalabi's guys that the US had successfully broken Iran's top-level military & diplomatic encryption systems. The leak occurred while the two were out drinking, a typical method by which spies get information. The very next day, NSA intercepted a phone call from the US to Iran informing the Iranian government of this (and you can be sure Iran upgraded its crypto promptly, thus setting US intel back a few years at minimum). To this day no one has been prosecuted for the leak, which would be a crime of espionage or treason. Source: Time Magazine, cover story on Chalabi a few years back.

If it happened once (the Iran crypto leak), the same factors make it more likely to have happened more than once (the 9/11 date leak). The simple leak of the date would have been sufficient to set the whole thing in motion. Without the leak, Osama would have chosen a date anyway, and in all likelihood the attack would have occurred anyway. But coming on any other day it would have been more likely to have been stopped before it got quite as far as it actually did: lives would have been saved.

Needless to say, I discount the probability that the date match was a pure coincidence. Probability of less than .003 by chance alone.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'S')ource: Time Magazine

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', '
')One, never attribute to conspiracy what can more parsimoniously be attributed to the sum of the outcome of self-interest on the part of a sufficient number of persons in power.

[max_power29]

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure one world, if you will. If thats the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
--David Rockefeller, page 405 of the paperback edition of his book 'Memoirs'