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Unread postby Twilight » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 16:43:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')epresentative Joe Barton, the leading Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, challenged global warming science as "uneven and evolving".

"You're not just off a little, you're totally wrong," he said of Mr Gore's conclusions that carbon dioxide emissions contribute to global warming.

Mr Barton said freezing carbon emissions would harm Americans and lead to "no new industry, no new people and no new cars".

Source: BBC


Ignore the environmental aspect.

Since carbon emissions = energy use, let me enhance that for clarity:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Mr Barton said freezing energy consumption would harm Americans and lead to "no new industry, no new people and no new cars".


Dude, no way. 8O

Does he really think there is an alternative? That the growth of the past can be continued? He's on a committee that looks into energy and the economy?
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Re: We are in safe hands

Unread postby Eli » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 16:47:36

Twilight this is why it will be business as usual until it cannot physically be business as usual.

We are on a train with no breaks heading for a cliff and we are stepping on the throttle.

Welcome to the mega crash.
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Re: We are in safe hands

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Thu 22 Mar 2007, 20:03:55

Why would the politicians and corporations want to move to a sustainable society when the Mad Max scenario and dieoff would generate so much money and initially allow for so much control over large groups of people?

There is a conflict of interest here: the elite of society versus the other 99%. One wants Mad Max so they can keep making more money than they will ever use while the other wants ecotopia once they understand the implications of oil depletion.

Industry profits or the lives and welfare of the vast majority of the world's population? Society's leaders have already made the choice for everyone else, all to earn some extra bucks.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Re: We are in safe hands

Unread postby perdition79 » Fri 23 Mar 2007, 03:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'I')gnore the environmental aspect.

Since carbon emissions = energy use, let me enhance that for clarity:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Mr Barton said freezing energy consumption would harm Americans and lead to "no new industry, no new people and no new cars".


Dude, no way. 8O

Does he really think there is an alternative? That the growth of the past can be continued? He's on a committee that looks into energy and the economy?


Al Gore gets it. Mr. Barton gets it. They're just saying it in two different ways: Gore is spouting his idealistic 'save the world' rhetoric, and Barton is stating the cruel reality as bluntly as he can. I'm with Barton on this one: we're heading for the wall at 150 mph, so let's see what happens if we don't pull the e-brake.
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Re: We are in safe hands

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 23 Mar 2007, 04:00:32

Without fuel they were nothing. They built a house of straw. The thundering machines sputtered and stopped. Their leaders talked and talked and talked. But nothing could stem the avalanche. Their world crumbled. The cities exploded. A whirlwind of looting, a firestorm of fear.

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