[Bas]

When they stay silent about peak oil for instance, or when it comes to criticizing and asking the difficult questions about the official 9/11 story and the case for Iraq? Neither European mainstream media or the American mainstream have done this. Granted the European media have done a little more when it comes to Iraq and they have less access when it comes to asking the difficult questions about 9/11 but they may be more silent on Peak Oil than the American media.

Ofcourse we still can trust the media when it comes to the more superficial stuff, which is still tons of stuff, but what happened to the real investigative journalism? Maybe the media just wants to report on issues like the ones I mentioned before when they can conclusively prove something but maybe they have been told to just shut up by powerful authorities when it comes to said issues. What do you think?

[dukey]

I think the answer is yes and no.
It depends on the topic. About trivial stuff that doesn't matter the media does it job. But about the stuff that matters like the federal reserve. You will never seen on the front page of any big newspaper. Why ? because the media is controlled.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '�')��We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications, whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” - David Rockefeller

[skiwi]

What more needs to be said

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying:
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.
There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.
"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread.
You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?
We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)

[username]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skiwi', 'W')hat more needs to be said

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')...We are intellectual prostitutes."

[Jack]

I answered other.

Yes - you can trust them completely. But only in a very special sense.

The media filter information in predictable ways - partly due to corporate requirements (ala Swinton), partly due to their own biases (rarely discussed and often unrecognized even by them), partly from convenience (one cannot expect a reporter and cameraman to go into the jaws of death).

The mainstream media will always (yes - always) project a positive view of the stock market, the economy, and growth in general. They will always be pro-government, though they may turn on an individual politician that becomes particularly unpopular. They will photograph and discuss disaster. We know all this. So - what do we do with it?

Generally, anything the MSM discusses is known by most. So we may see a story on Peak Oil - but only when gasoline prices are high, and are probably poised for a short-term decline (Yes, that's no typo.) They will be upbeat about the economy. It wouldn't matter if unemployment was 35%, inflation 72%, and gasoline $10 per gallon - they would project that things would be better. They would find experts to promise it.

As long as we know their biases and correct for them, the MSM can be trusted to be consistent. They are, if you will, a flawed instrument, but they exist with known flaws.

[jboogy]

All in all MSM journalists now a days are mainly interested in bigger jobs with bigger paychecks , whatever pangs of concious they may have once felt when either ignoring or burying a story because an editor suggests it ,have long since been forgotten.Now the maverick spirit once embodied by the Murrows, Woodward's and Bernsteins and many others have been replaced by a competition among young journalists to see which one can land the fattest TV gig with the most face time.The one's toiling away in relative obscurity in print media concern themselves only with staying employed in the face of declining readership across the entire spectrum.That's not to say ther aren't true journalists out there still, they've just been marginalized and told to go sit in the corner and vent their frustrations into the void. Amy Goodman does real , relevant news reporting everyday on Dish network and her audience is probably 100,000 , while Bill O'reilly gets close to 2 million , go figure, Sy Hirsch does great stuff and cannot be intimidated by anyone , he's one the repubs would love to have fall out a window, Wayne Madsen does a column in one of the washington papers I think but I read his website , hard hitting but leans a bit to supposition, then there's the BBC guy ,Greg Pallast? I think , absolutely magnificent stuff on the stolen elections and a few other things but he did miss the boat on his peak oil stuff, oh well , I'm not going to throw the baby out cause he shit in his bathwater once, but again you'll never see him in a venue that attracts more than 100,000 eyes.I like Olbermann too and you can bet he would have been fired a while ago if Bushes ratings hadn't tanked , but then again if Bush was still popular methinks Ol' keith's rhetoric wouldn't have become so strident so quickly( wet finger in the air thing).

[NEOPO]

NETWORK

JFK Speech on Secret Societies and Freedom of the Press

<Neopo talking to the voice inside his head> Whats that?
<voice inside head talking back to Neopo> Trust none of us.

[lateralus]

The mainstream media could never be trusted in the first place. Now, even less. When did CNN try so hard to be Fox News? Glen Beck is a moron. Nuff said.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '[')url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI]NETWORK[/url]

JFK Speech on Secret Societies and Freedom of the Press

<Neopo talking to the voice inside his head> Whats that?
<voice inside head talking back to Neopo> Trust none of us.

[Bas]

Interesting lamentation Pstarr, and that goes for Jack and Jboogy too btw...

A thought I had just, I think two days ago was that advertising should be taxed, heavily. Reasons aplenty for doing this, the most important one being the leverage advertisers have over the media and hence over you. Funding of the media would become a problem though.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateralus', 'G')len Beck is a moron. Nuff said.

[Aaron]

Google seems to understand the difference between "real" news sites & "spin" news sites.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=oil+news

Platts wants to be on the list, so they pay to be there... so does ABC News.

But it seems that more & more, if you want real oil news... the world is turning to...

You People.

I see your thoughts regurgitated all over the media & can only conclude that the authors research some ideas here.

Good for you.

Fox sucks & so does CNN.

Might as well be reading The Onion.

[Kingcoal]

Could you ever trust the media. When I was a kid, my grandmother used to tell me that you "couldn't believe what you read in the papers." I thought it was just some symptom of senility at the time. However, I've come to her position. The News is just another way of drawing eyeballs to advertizements. It's sensationalized, however, you just have to learn how to read between the lines.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't beleive anything you hear and only half of what you read!

[chuck6877]

PROOF the MEDIA CAN BE CONTROLLED for "National Security Interests":

CIA MEDIA CONTROL DOCUMENT -
CIA Memorandum Subject: Task Force Report on Greater CIA Openness- dated December 1991 (Page 10 is missing) - [PDF File]
or Read Each page in JPG format

From the CIA's own words which should scare you to death:
From Page 6:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')PAO [Public Affairs Office] now has relationships with reporters from every major wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the nation. This has helped us turn some intelligence failure stories into intelligence success stories, and it has contributed to the accuracy of countless others. In many instances, we have persuaded reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversely affected national security interests or jeopardized sources and methods."

[Baldwin]

In regards to the last post, that basically says (in verbose form) that the government may manipulate or outright lie about world events. That could be problematic, with all the news coming from around the world. As we've seen for the last 6 years however, TPTB discount foreign news as baseless propoganda.

And I suppose the American media is a bastion of adamantine truth....a paragon of journalism that all other base media outlets strive to be?

[chuck6877]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'I')n regards to the last post, that basically says (in verbose form) that the government may manipulate or outright lie about world events. That could be problematic, with all the news coming from around the world. As we've seen for the last 6 years however, TPTB discount foreign news as baseless propoganda.

And I suppose the American media is a bastion of adamantine truth....a paragon of journalism that all other base media outlets strive to be?

[NEOPO]

Thanks Bas - glad you liked them and me new avatar

The media can be bought or seized and both methods have similarly good end results.
The media can simply be a tool of finance or it can be a political tool used to create illusions, perpetuate lies and otherwise deceive the masses YET since FASCISM is CORPORATISM there really is no need to distinguish between the two and one should be left with no doubt as to the reality of the present.

I seriously doubt that we the people have ever been truly informed via non bias reporting yet it does seem to be getting worse now as TSHTF.
Maybe at some moment in the past we were innocent enough to actually print the truth or unmotivated by any outside influence to not even think to print anything but the truth as they see it yet it does seem that those days are gone for now.
John Stewart for president, Steven Colbert for vice!
See! I got no problem with jews - I even have a Jew friend - fuzzy little curly headed fella its those GDMFN zionist and neocons that have us by the booboo people.
Why do I say this?
Because the Media is controlled mainly by Zionist not Jews and why do people always say "JEW" and that is because this simple misconception is played over and over again and then they rewind the tape and play it again and again until your mind gets locked in - thank you mr de la rocha.
"The media is controlled by the jews" is an expression and a lie perpetuated by the neocon zionist media and racist hate groups alike.
"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future." - George Orwell
Who controls the present now?
See the truth through this fog of lies andTESTIFY!
By the time they start tellin the truth again - no one will believe them.