[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he shaft connected to the wind turbine, havn't you been following along?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '5') pages on the AirCar?
...

Some of you folks will chat about anything... yeesh.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')lueless wrote:

I do not have the time to waste debating a guy who believes we will power a Ford and GM manufacturing plant on solar panels..



Do you have time to read the thread before you post? What are Ford and GM going to be manufacturing post PO? Its very unfortunate that such a shortsighted idiot is in the research and development field.

[yesplease]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I')f you believe in AirCars I want my tax-dollars back for your education.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou paid for my education? That explains a a lot. I want what little money you paid for my craptacular state funded edjewmakatshun back. If not, I'll sue you for wasting decades of my life in pitifully funded naptime classrooms. Although if the quality is indicative of what you paid, I doubt I'll get much.

[Aaron]

My mind refuses to accept that I must explain why AIR CARS are a stupid idea to you folks.

I could tell you... but it would be like matter touching antimatter & the Universe would be destroyed.

I originally read of this idea in 1978 in the Congressional Record actually.

And it was just as ridiculous then as it is today.

Praise HawkMan.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y mind refuses to accept that I must explain why AIR CARS are a stupid idea to you folks.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he shaft connected to the wind turbine, havn't you been following along?

[lawnchair]

smallpoxgirl

I think the problem with doing any kind of math on this is that you're reading their hyped numbers the way they want them read.

Is it possible to transport a human 200km on said tank of compressed air? Yes.

Is it possible to get to 80 km/h using said tank of compressed air? Yes.

Those are the (separate) promises in the article and none other.

Is it possible to transport 500 kg for 200km at largely 50-80 km/h, but speeding up and slowing down at numerous lights (F=ma) on inclined terrains on that tank of air? Probably not even within an order of magnitude. That's what they wanted you to believe.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')illy fool, what turbine generator are you operating at 3500 rpm? All of ours are at 3600 rpm, you are on the 60 hz freq right?

[clueless]

Jbeckton - Here is just a snapshot of what will happen as Americans scramble for cheap alternatives. They may beleive the hype about them, but in the end there are none. And staying on the wind turbine (or air car) topic, as long as we have abundant , and not even necessarily cheap, hydrocarbons ; Air cars, wind turbines, fuel cells and the like sound like a great idea - But no matter how you slice it the US (and world) economy runs on black liquid, coal and smelly gas extracted from the ground...When demand outstrips supply for those, that is the end of the game, and Wind Turbines, Air cars, and Fuel Cells will be history - I'll bet the farm on that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s the main ingredient for ethanol rises to $4 per bushel and oil prices dip, many are concerned about an industry shake-out.
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Financing for ethanol plants has tightened as rising corn prices have made it tougher for producers to turn a profit and an industry shake-out could follow, according to sector bankers and executives.

The price of corn, the main ingredient of U.S. ethanol, has risen to $4 per bushel, making it more difficult for ethanol plants to turn a profit. At the same time, oil prices have fallen since peaking at more than $78 a barrel last summer, cutting into demand for a lower priced alternative.

[yesplease]

Based on grid connected home use, one of these cars has crap in terms of efficiency because small air compressors have crap efficiency. But, there are places where coupling them with wind power could result in some seriously cheap transportation. This definitely wouldn't be for everyone, but if we had strong nightly winds and doubled the tank size, we could use the car as an energy sink and go with a smaller battery pack that's just for home use. The damn thing would probably run forever, and ~200 miles of range wouldn't be half bad. So instead of having a big battery system to collect all that electricity, and either compressing air, or charging an EV with batteries that have a noticeably finite lifetime, we can reduce the cost of the home batteries, and eliminate the cost of any EV batteries, if we had an EV.

[clueless]

YesPlease

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')oncern about a peak in oil production is like throwing nine out of ten meals in the trash and thinking you may not have enough food to get by.

[SolarDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'T')he article stats that it costs less than 1 euro to travel 100 kilometers.

1 euro = 1.33 dollars
100km=62.14 miles

So you are looking at $0.02 per mile.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '
')
Americans are living on credit now - How much more can they borrow to pay their power bills, and over 50% of our energy is imported, there is no soluiton to that other thn learn how to live with less, and Americans do not like that idea -
......
Same thing applies to LNG, people complain about Natural Gas, is LNG the solution ??? Can people afford 35 pcf ??? Same thing will happen going from Combined cycle to Wind Turbines, massive demand destruction caused by supply side dynamics.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')'m with you on that Heineken, but I don't run the world. The rest of the creatures are pretty into their creature comforts. They are going to leap upon any workable scheme to maintain the status quo. If this thing actually works as claimed, it could allow them that luxury. Is it a good thing? Of course not. It just sets us up for a bigger eventual fall, but it does seem workable. Who knows. Maybe it doesn't work half as well in real life as it does in the marketing materials, but if it does, there's enough coal around to power this thing for a good long time.

[kolm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '
')Everything requires a huge capital investment.

[kolm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', '
')No one is claiming that a air powered car would be more practical, more efficient, or a better option than a FF power car. Just that it might get us from point A to point B after the FF cars are gone.

Whats so hard to understand about that?

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou don't seem to know a lot about anything. Why would we solve a FF shortage with another finite FF source? Are you following along? LNG is not renewable either.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')irst of all, Parson type steam turbine couples work at about 40%, not 33%, and they are used in the power industry if it pays off economically. In NPP, you usually don't want many things that can jam, because down-time and maintenance costs you dearly, hence you usually accept lower efficiency than theoretically achievable. Second, even 33% is not too far from carnot efficiency, hence I do not understand what you mean by 'not efficient at all'.