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Zen philosophy

Unread postby paimei01 » Sat 10 Mar 2007, 21:46:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')yokan, a Zen master, lived the simplest kind of life in a little hut at the foot of a mountain. One evening a thief visited the hut only to discover there was nothing to steal.

Ryokan returned and caught him. "You have come a long way to visit me," he told the prowler, "and you should not return empty-handed. Please take my clothes as a gift."

The thief was bewildered. He took the clothes and slunk away.

Ryoken sat naked, watching the moon. "Poor fellow," he mused, "I wish I could have given him this beautiful moon."



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')The Zen master Hakuin was praised by his neighbours as one living a pure life.

A beautiful Japanese girl whose parents owned a food store lived near him. Suddenly, without any warning, her parents discovered she was with child.

This made her parents angry. She would not confess who the man was, but after much harassment at last named Hakuin.

In great anger the parent went to the master. "Is that so?" was all he would say.

After the child was born it was brought to Hakuin. By this time he had lost his reputation, which did not trouble him, but he took very good care of the child. He obtained milk from his neighbours and everything else he needed.

A year later the girl-mother could stand it no longer. She told her parents the truth - the real father of the child was a young man who worked in the fishmarket.

The mother and father of the girl at once went to Hakuin to ask forgiveness, to apologize at length, and to get the child back.

Hakuin was willing. In yielding the child, all he said was: "Is that so?"


http://www.rider.edu/~suler/zenstory/zenstory.html
http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/zenindex.html

Some Zen stories.This kind of stories should be taught in schools, they are more useful than whatever stories about how to "be successful" they teach now. In my view schools only enforce the worker-consumer mindset, useful to the corporations and the way they want people to think about the world
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Re: Zen philosophy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 10 Mar 2007, 22:06:11

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')Schools are only tools for the corporations, their purpose is to create the worker-consumer of tomorow.
These are very confusing times, with a lot of anguish and doubt about tomorrow. Many Educational Theorists would agree with your assessment and would probably be saying to their spouses at the end of a long day, "If only we could teach them Zen Koans. . ." The interesting thing, to me, is that a hundred years ago, when the educational system was much stronger and more successful in it's efforts, the emphasis was on educating young minds to be fit to run a business and to know about history, English literature, and political lessons. They were taught the history of their own culture and they read the Bible.
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Re: Zen philosophy

Unread postby paimei01 » Sat 10 Mar 2007, 22:18:44

Zen is applied philosphy, it cannot be discussed upon it loses it's meaning. Zen teaches about how to live a simple life, in the present moment and to escape materialism.
"Before enlightement chop wood carry water, after enlightement chop wood carry water"

In high school Zen stories would be very good. Not Zen practice, that is for whoever wants it personaly, but these stories are good to know.

Imagine a world where everybody lives the Zen way :)
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Re: Zen philosophy

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 10 Mar 2007, 22:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The Last Poem of Hoshin

The Zen Master Hoshin lived in China many years. Then he returned to the northeastern part of Japan, where he taught his disciples. When he was getting very old, he told them a story he had heard in China. This is the story:

One year on the twenty-fifth of December, Tokufu, who was very old, said to his disciples: "I am not going to be alive next year so you fellows should treat me well this year."

The pupils thought he was joking, but since he was a great-hearted teacher each of them in turn treated him to a feast on succeeding days of the departing year.

On the eve of the new year, Tokufu concluded: "You have been good to me. I shall leave tomorrow afternoon when the snow has stopped."

The disciples laughed, thinking he was aging and talking nonsense since the night was clear and without snow. But at midnight snow began to fall, and the next day they did not find their teacher about. They went to the meditation hall. There he had passed on.

Hoshin, who related this story, told his disciples: "It is not necessary for a Zen master to predict his passing, but if he really wishes to do so, he can."

"Can you?" someone asked.

"Yes," answered Hoshin. "I will show you what I can do seven days from now."

None of the disciples believed him, and most of them had even forgotten the conversation when Hoshin called them together.

"Seven days ago," he remarked, "I said I was going to leave you. It is customary to write a farewell poem, but I am neither a poet or a calligrapher. Let one of you inscribe my last words."

His followers thought he was joking, but one of them started to write.

"Are you ready?" Hoshin asked.

"Yes sir," replied the writer.

Then Hoshin dictated:

I came from brillancy
And return to brillancy.
What is this?

This line was one line short of the customary four, so the disciple said: "Master, we are one line short."

Hoshin, with the roar of a conquering lion, shouted "Kaa!" and was gone.


The sense of mastery over life and death, mystic discipline and poetic humor, Brilliant! One of the World's great contibutions.
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Re: Zen philosophy

Unread postby uNkNowN ElEmEnt » Sun 11 Mar 2007, 18:50:59

It also teaches to live in this moment and to value what is not. For instance, we value the bowl, not because of what it is or its exterior but for the emptiness it contains so we can use that. It is the middle and what is not that has value to us.

It also teaches us objective mind so that we can more readily explore and understand both ourselves and the world around us. Its is a Zen philosophy that you will learn more as a mirror to the world. If you want to know the true nature of a man you will find more in the exceptional or unordinary things he does than his habits and rituals.

Provoking yourself and others is a great way to learn about them.... :razz:
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Re: Zen philosophy

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Mon 12 Mar 2007, 10:28:00

Ryokan is the closest person I have as a hero. Reading two books of his collected Zen poems: One Robe, One Bowl. Dewdrops On A Lotus Leaf. have had and still have a profound effect on my thinking and life. Of all the thousands of books I've read in my life, these two are the only two that I have kept for almost 30 years.
I first read Ryokan in my early twenties(wish I had learned Japanese so I could have read them in their original),and it was this wise man( or as he liked to call himself 'old fool') that set my feet on the path of studying/living Zen these past 30 years.
I'm glad others have found this wonderful flower hidden among the weeds.
Can't sign off, without quoting my two favorite poems of his:

I sit quietly, listening to the falling leaves --
A lonely hut, a life of renunciation.
The past has faded, things are no longer remembered.
My sleeve is wet with tears.

The gaudy beauty of this world has no attraction for me --
My closest friends are mountains and rivers.
Clouds swallow up my shadow as I walk along,
When I sit on cliffs, birds soar overhead.
Wearing snowy straw sandals, I visit cold villages.
Go as deep as you can into life,
And you will be able to let go of even blossoms.
Ryokan~

With happiness~
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Re: Zen philosophy

Unread postby paimei01 » Tue 17 Jul 2007, 19:38:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') human being is a part of a whole, called by us 'universe', a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.
- Albert Einstein


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he void is no mere emptiness, but is real, free and existing. It is the source from which all things arise and return. It cannot be seen, touched or known, yet it exists and is freely used. It has no shape, size, colour or form, and yet all that we see, hear, feel and touch is "it". It is beyond intellectual knowing and cannot be grasped by the ordinary mind. When we suddenly awake to the realization that there is no barrier, and has never been seen, one realizes that one is all things, mountains, rivers, grasses, trees, sun, moon, stars, universe are all oneself. There is no longer a division or barrier between myself and others, no longer any feeling of alienation or fear. Realizing this, results in true compassion. Other people and things are not seen as apart from oneself, on the contrary, as one's own body
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