[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'W')hich is why I pay close attention to Hubberts original work, where alot of this starts. He has his solution built right into the original work, and its very curious that people lift the entire Peak oil piece out ( good or bad ) and then completely ignore the solution he included in the same paper. Matter of fact, he spent more words on the solution than the peak theory itself.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eclipse', 'H')ubbert was wrong?

As we all know, Hubbert accurately came up with the concept of a "double peak" — one in discovery followed by a peak in production — and then in 1956 accurately predicted America's peak oil production peak for 1970. But Hubbert was way off on the VOLUMES of WORLD peak oil. Hubbert predicted total world oil extraction would peak at 1/3 of today's rates.

[Revi]

Didn't the latest data show that 2006 was down by over 200,000 barrels per day from 2005? I think Hubbert was right too. We're riding the downslope of Hubbert's Peak now. The dinosaurs don't know it, but their time is short. All these people driving around in monster SUV's are riding on borrowed time. When gas gets to $3 again (which it will) they will start to moan and groan. Will they change, or will they perish?

[LastViking]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'D')idn't the latest data show that 2006 was down by over 200,000 barrels per day from 2005?

Will they change, or will they perish?

[killJOY]

Lastviking is the same asshole that pollutes the Oil Drum.

Here he counts everything in the pisspot as "oil," double counting energy inputs to make such lovely fluids as "orimulsion" and Fryolator goo.

He knows as well as anyone else that the crude oil + condensate numbers are DOWN.

[Revi]

"Solar technologies, therefore, currently are “parasites” on fossil fuel systems because they cannot “reproduce” themselves." Montequest

What do you call trees? They are solar and reproduce themselves. Those who don't get into solar may not make it, but solar things have been reproducing on this planet since the first life.

About the world being down 200,000 barrels per day:

I think they came out with the numbers on the Oil Drum didn't they? We may have some more goo in the hopper each day, but it's lower quality. The good stuff has peaked. We're on the downslope now.

Even ethanol which the Prez is so crazy about has less btu's per gallon than gasoline.

Any way you slice it we're in trouble now.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', '"')Solar technologies, therefore, currently are “parasites” on fossil fuel systems because they cannot “reproduce” themselves." Montequest

What do you call trees?

[Revi]

"Organic photosynthetic convertors of sunlight into carbohydrates." Montequest's description of trees

They aren't technologies, but they are serving some people. Right now 250 of them are turning sunlight into carbohydrates and those carbs are running down tubes into a tank, where we'll boil them down into maple syrup. What's the matter with that? It's a form of permaculture.

It seems to me that the only way to get ahead (or hold your own) in an energy limited world is to switch as much of your energy supply from fossil fuels to solar and renewable sources of energy as possible. That way you can continue to grow while others shrink. Like a tree.