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US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Bas » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 15:27:26

US factory orders dropped by their largest amount in six-and-a-half years in January, official figures showed.
Orders for big-ticket items fell even faster, the data from the Commerce Department showed - down 8.7%, even wose than an earlier 7.8% estimate.


the US had slowed, while labour costs soared.

Both sets of data point to a slowdown in the world's largest economy, and could fuel inflation concerns.

The Commerce Department data showed that a main contributor to the manufacturing slowdown had been lower transportation orders, which fell 19%, and included a 60.2% drop in demand for commercial planes.

While durable goods fell 8.7%, order for non-durable goods - which include petrol and food - were down only 2% in January.

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The US Labor Department figures had shown that productivity per worker - a measure of hourly output - grew by 1.6% annually over the three-month period.

The decline in productivity growth contributed to a rise in unit labour costs of 6.6%, well above an original estimate of 1.7%.

A combination of slowing productivity gains and higher wages could fuel inflation if sustained.

The rise in labour costs was the most dramatic since the first three months of 2006, which had a 9.1% increase.

The economic data follows soon after the US released figures showing economic growth in the last three months of 2006 was 2.2%, well below the original estimate of 3.5%.

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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby smiley » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 17:05:14

I can't say it surprises me.

This week I had to turn down another US supplier. For a few years I have been ordering their products at regular intervals. However after a series of price raises they simply have become to expensive.

One particular item sold for $56 a pcs last year and now they are asking $94. I'm willing to accept a bit of a premium for the service they deliver, but this is getting ridiculous. So I turned to a British supplier which asks $68. Of course I could get it cheaper in India or China, but ordering there is very difficult and service is usually quite dodgy.

Perhaps the US participants of this site can fill me in on this. From here I get the impression that prices in the US are rising rapidly. Is that also something you see in the stores? Is inflation really that high?

That would mean that in order for the US manufacturers to become competitive again the dollar must be allowed to lower in value.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 17:29:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne particular item sold for $56 a pcs last year and now they are asking $94.


What was the item, Smiley?
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby smiley » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:05:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat was the item, Smiley?


These were some pieces of kiln furniture (ceramic supports for use in furnaces). Small series production, both energy and labor intensive.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:26:27

I am a small contractor in st. louis. This is my 20th year, and this is the slowest I have ever seen the season start. The winter was slow too. I have a few good jobs coming up, but nothing like usual.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:35:02

The internet price of kratom leaf has just about doubled. My favorite dream-enhancing legal entheogen is now too expensive.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby smiley » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:36:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am a small contractor in st. louis. This is my 20th year, and this is the slowest I have ever seen the season start. The winter was slow too. I have a few good jobs coming up, but nothing like usual.


Sorry to hear that. Any thoughts on the causes?
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Armageddon » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am a small contractor in st. louis. This is my 20th year, and this is the slowest I have ever seen the season start. The winter was slow too. I have a few good jobs coming up, but nothing like usual.


Sorry to hear that. Any thoughts on the causes?


I live in a pretty wealthy area, and I just think people are getting maxed out on their debt. Thanks for the concern.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Eli » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:41:43

Smiley that makes sense that the particular product you were ordering would have gone up so much.

Consumer prices are not that bad in general, but industries that use a lot of gas and electricity have seen the worst cost increases.

I am sure the company you were ordering from has seen a hefty increase in their power bill.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby smiley » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 18:47:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')miley that makes sense that the particular product you were ordering would have gone up so much.


That might be true. I forgot that we're pretty much shielded from price fluctuations in raw energy because we pay a ridiculous amount of taxes on energy anyway.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby fireplaceguy » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 21:03:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '[')b]US factory orders dropped by their largest amount in six-and-a-half years in January, official figures showed.
Orders for big-ticket items fell even faster, the data from the Commerce Department showed - down 8.7%, even wose than an earlier 7.8% estimate.

the US had slowed, while labour costs soared.

Both sets of data point to a slowdown in the world's largest economy, and could fuel inflation concerns.

The Commerce Department data showed that a main contributor to the manufacturing slowdown had been lower transportation orders, which fell 19%, and included a 60.2% drop in demand for commercial planes.

While durable goods fell 8.7%, order for non-durable goods - which include petrol and food - were down only 2% in January.
Hey - it's a bit harder to give up petrol and food! Anyway, this info coincides nicely with the downturn in our housing market. I just read an article about slumping new home sales - at the current lower sales rate American homebuilders have a 6.8 month inventory of completed new homes. To this, add all the existing homes for sale for the normal reasons, the high number of foreclosures (and the related subprime lending collapse) and it's looking rather bleak.

Real estate has stopped appreciating at insane rates - prices are even dropping in many markets. Millions of Americans will no longer be able to use their residence as an ATM, and I'm betting that consumer spending will look very different in the next 5-10 years than the last. No fun, but it'll be interesting to watch this play out...
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Daculling » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 21:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')miley that makes sense that the particular product you were ordering would have gone up so much.


That might be true. I forgot that we're pretty much shielded from price fluctuations in raw energy because we pay a ridiculous amount of taxes on energy anyway.


Food in the US is highly subsidized but I have noticed a rise in the prices... no big deal, we eat too much anyway and it's still cheap. High tech stuff is always dropping. Beer is steady (which is my personal indicator). I don't know... high energy inputs as stated before I would think.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Baldwin » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 22:36:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', '
')the US had slowed, while labour costs soared.


That sums up why no one wants to buy US goods in quantity. What we pay per hour is what many chinese laborers get in a day.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 06 Mar 2007, 23:40:26

You could probably add health insurance costs in there. I noticed, like clockwork, both hospitals in town raised there rates by 5% or so right after the new year. My own insurance went from a max out of pocket of a $3k to $5k... merry christmas asshole!
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 01:10:42

I was talking to a rather large surplus test equipment dealer, he first surprised me by turning down a reasonable LCR meter I offered him (with delivery!) and then went on to say business is the worst it's been for him, EVER. 8O

This guy's been in the biz for a LONG time too.
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Re: US factory orders at six-year low

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Wed 07 Mar 2007, 01:22:45

Gasoline is up 30 cents in the past month, if that counts for anything.

Food prices are definitely up, I've noticed that a few of my favorite restaurants have had to "update" their menus to reflect rising costs.

But thankfully, Our Supreme Leaders do not bother including "volatile" food and energy prices in the inflation calculations. :roll:

It looks like the fuzzy math is finally catching up to the money masters as the current crash in economy growth can no longer be hidden from the public.

The poor guy trying to sell his junky two bedroom ranch house two doors down from me has had to lower his asking price again. The thing has been on the market for a solid year and has done nothing but lose value and waste balloons.

Everyone I know has a sense that something is seriously wrong with this economy. Or maybe I don't get out much. We shall see.
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