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Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 18:07:29

At a feast certain people kept throwing all the bones to Diogenes as they would to a dog. He played a dog's trick and urinated on them.

Diogenes was particularly upset by extravagant and lavish interior decorations, and at one rich man's house, on finding himself surrounded by expensive carpets and sumptuous cushions, Diogenes spat in the owner's face, and then wiped it with his rough cloak and apologized, saying it was the only dirty place in the room he could find to spit.

Regardless of his cynicism, Diogenes was loved by the Athenians. At all events, when a youngster broke up his tub, they gave the boy a flogging and presented Diogenes with another.

Plato had defined Man as an animal, biped and featherless, and was applauded. Diogenes plucked a fowl and brought it into the lecture-room with the words, "Here is Plato's man."

Diogenes said, "Most men are within a finger's breadth of being mad."

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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 18:20:45

Guys like that get thrown into a mental asylum and drugged/shocked into "correctness" now.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby FourOfSwords » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 18:47:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'G')uys like that get thrown into a mental asylum and drugged/shocked into "correctness" now.

How sad, but how true...maybe we shouldn't be overmedicating/shocking those 'crazy' folks...they may actually have something of real value to teach us...
Penultimate, great website, not seen that one before... becomes one of my fav's.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 19:38:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FourOfSwords', '
')Penultimate, great website, not seen that one before... becomes one of my fav's.
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I liked it too. The exchange between Diogenes and Alexander was good, (I'm paraphrasing):

Diog: So, what are your plans, Alex?

Alex: I'm going to conquer Greece.

Diog: Really! Then what?

Alex: I will then conquer Asia Minor.

Diog: And then?

Alex: Well, then I'll conquer the whole world.

Diog: Wow! What then? I'd be interested to know that.

Alex: (chuckles) Then I'll relax and enjoy life.

Diog: Why not spare yourself a lot of trouble and just start relaxing now?


Raph, have you read any of the postings of John Greer at the Archdruid Report? He makes a strong case that we need to understand the power of mythology. here linked at Energy Bulletin
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 21:37:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '
')Yup the world would be better off if many of us were 'high on weed', doing less ... accomplishing nothing ... just relaxing in Margarita Ville...
Of course, if you read of the accomplishments of Alexander you'd know some fantastic feats. The sack of Tyre, which was a half mile off shore and impregnable is one of the grandest tales of history. Not the sort of thing that 'relaxed' guys do. I don't know Raph, life is a puzzle.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 23:33:33

Yep .... the sack of Tyre..... what a poetic sound, roll it off of the tongue, the Sack of Tyre...... you can imagine the burning houses, the disemboweled children, the gangraped 14-year-olds crying for the relief of death.....

What an accomplishment! My god! And why don't we hand Medals of Honor all around for the folks who did the My Lai massecre? My God that was an accomplishent, seems My Lai was a bigger village than a lot of people think, and yet a comparatively small group of Americans wiped it out. Deeds of bravery.....
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 03 Mar 2007, 00:26:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'Y')ep .... the sack of Tyre..... what a poetic sound, roll it off of the tongue, the Sack of Tyre...... you can imagine the burning houses, the disemboweled children, the gangraped 14-year-olds crying for the relief of death.....


Alexander liked a little cream with his coffee, so those gang raped 14-year olds were probably boys. [smilie=new_shocked.gif]
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 03 Mar 2007, 01:24:58

That's why I said 14 year olds, not boys or girls - just 14 year olds.

In the value system of our culture, the Sack of Type was a great accomplishment. So was the genocide of the American Indians, the general 90% dieoff of the Pacific peoples, etc.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby lateralus » Sat 03 Mar 2007, 01:43:46

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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 03 Mar 2007, 13:48:43

Thus spoke Diogenes many years before Zarathustra yet if both were intertwined in one tomb I doubt we could pick apart the bones.

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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 19:34:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'Y')ep .... the sack of Tyre..... what a poetic sound, roll it off of the tongue, the Sack of Tyre...... you can imagine the burning houses, the disemboweled children, the gangraped 14-year-olds crying for the relief of death.....

What an accomplishment! My god! And why don't we hand Medals of Honor all around for the folks who did the My Lai massecre? My God that was an accomplishent, seems My Lai was a bigger village than a lot of people think, and yet a comparatively small group of Americans wiped it out. Deeds of bravery.....
Maybe you were thinking I wouldn't reply to this, but I've been thinking about it. Alexander The Great, hmm. What's so great about it? Indeed. You can still see the accretions of time to the stone pier his engineers constructed in modern Lebanon on Google Earth. The Greeks had been used as mercenaries for centuries when Alexander came on the scene. He was the one who realized that Greeks could defeat anyone, any army. He set out to prove it and succeeded beyond anyone's imagination. In those days, the Eastern countries were perceived to be the Powers Of The Earth. Civilization began there. Western countries were peripheral players. Power was determined by warfare then, as it is now and will be for as long as humans inhabit this planet. And when we don't the creatures that crawl the earth will still be in a perpetual arms race to see who eats who. That's the way it's been since bacteria swam the pre-Cambrian seas. So Alexander was just living life on life's terms, and he did so with such brilliance that it's worth reading a biography of him just to know about it.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 20:03:06

Yep, he was an evil bastard, basically a Hitler. And being Americans, raised in our culture, we all think he was a terriffic, great guy.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 20:16:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'Y')ep, he was an evil bastard, basically a Hitler. And being Americans, raised in our culture, we all think he was a terriffic, great guy.
It isn't an American thing, plants, that's what I'm trying to tell you. It's an organic thing. It's a human thing. History shows this.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 20:22:37

Yeah, in a farming hierarchal type culture, sure. But in a hunter-gatherer culture, sociopaths are not lionized.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 20:29:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'Y')eah, in a farming hierarchal type culture, sure. But in a hunter-gatherer culture, sociopaths are not lionized.
this is some weird current theory. I got news for you, humans have always fought, right from the start; why: because Nature ordains it. It is as I said, a matter of who eats who. The Gnostics were right: nature is disgusting red in tooth and claw, and we are nature. Muddle-headed dreamers might wish it weren't so, but so it is.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 20:36:56

There are tons of cultures that did not give in to evil. From the Hopi to the Amish to the Plains Indians counting coup, humans have always found ways to lessen or eliminate violence.

The only exception to this is cultures like our own, where normal humans have become like cancer cells, grow, grow, grow, no matter what, mow down any other cells that get in the way...... this is a pretty good analogy, since our civilization wipes out other peoples, kills the land, and our freeways even resemble the neovascularization found in a tumor.
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Re: Stories Of Diogenes

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 04 Mar 2007, 20:46:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'T')here are tons of cultures that did not give in to evil. From the Hopi to the Amish to the Plains Indians counting coup, humans have always found ways to lessen or eliminate violence.

The only exception to this is cultures like our own, where normal humans have become like cancer cells, grow, grow, grow, no matter what, mow down any other cells that get in the way...... this is a pretty good analogy, since our civilization wipes out other peoples, kills the land, and our freeways even resemble the neovascularization found in a tumor.
Impressive analogy. It's true, when we get right down to it, there is nothing to say. Give me a time machine!
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