[128shot]

As the title suggests, I'm just wondering what might happen to our telecommunications infrastructure (specifically internet) post peak and what might left of the software/hardware computer industry.


Do you think most of it will go to the wayside?


I do.

[TITAN]

Depends on how quickly we go downhill. If it is gradual enough, we will adapt and everything should slowly move into equilibrium.

I don't think we will decline quite slowly enough to weather the storm. And I think current world leaders are not helping the process at all. They are all acting like a bunch of spoiled punks that aren't getting their way and it is probably going to end up as bad as it can possibly be on this planet in about 2-3 months...

AS BAD AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE...

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', ' ')it is probably going to end up as bad as it can possibly be on this planet in about 2-3 months...

AS BAD AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE...

[mekrob]

I'm not great at knowing how this stuff works (from the inside out), but I imagine that knowing programming very well could be useful. For instance, if you can design engineering programs, chemical, biological, and programs for other useful sciences (agriculture, etc), then having a well-built, durable computer could prove very useful.

If you're planning on living in a secluded community, which is generally accepted as the ideal on PO.com, then having the ability to write such programs is very useful since it would help out in building and maintaining your own little city-state effectively.

Programmers and computer technicians can also set up other useful systems such as closed networks for your own communities communication, development of a defensive system (track unwanted foreigners encroaching on your land).

Your city-state will need electricity to run irrigation, lights, computers, etc. Ideally, you'd want to receive it from wind, water, solar (maybe). Computing power can help to utilize electricity more effectively (I imagine it can anyway).

But as far as the current system, no I don't think governments and the market are working effectively enough in adapting to meet the needs of tomorrow. Prepare for yourself.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')My take - programming is a dying field. But it will linger for years.

[Daculling]

The interwebs will be the last thing we abandon. It's just so incredibly efficient we can't walk away from it. Now for coders... I see us moving towards maintaining what we have as opposed to innovation. That means less coders... however... as we have seen in the past the more people with the knowledge you put out of work the more exploits you will see. Security in code and processes in IT will not wain in the near term and in fact increase. You have a choice here... employ the hacker or fight them. They are after all the ones that wrote the code in the first place.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

My clinical partner and respiratory school classmate's background is in IT. He's a casualty of outsourcing and told me more and more programming jobs are going overseas.

That shit seems boring as hell anyways. How bout a career change? What don't you be a paramedic or something?

[128shot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jesus_of_suburbia', 'M')y clinical partner and respiratory school classmate's background is in IT. He's a casualty of outsourcing and told me more and more programming jobs are going overseas.

That shit seems boring as hell anyways. How bout a career change? What don't you be a paramedic or something?

[trackingbeacon]

Defining point of peak terminality is the stock market crash, the one that never recovers. Terminal stock market crash is the defining point of downhill peak, that will be ovbvious to everyone. No one recieves wages, just point to point trading and sales. This event comes rather late after oil shortages and may be triggered by war. Whatever triggers it, after this point we can define the economy as isolated farmers, survivors and scattered hunter gatherers or survivors.

Good jobs post peak oil stock market crash.

Paramedic would be a great job, minimal training and useful knowledge, There will be many paramedic "Doctors" for villages, and they will be cared for like special people. Easy to train for EMT, paramedic is a two years school course. Even EMT would be very useful.

Anything non government that produces usable and durable goods and healthcare.


Bad jobs, UPS truck driver, trucking transport computer operators wallmarrt shelf stockers...

I took off sherrif and officer from the good liste, thinking about it I believe there will in short order be none of these left.

[cynicalheretic]

Professional GunSlinger. That's the job I am applying for. Also executioner.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')re you assuming I want to be a programmer?

Cause I don't..

[Prince]

Programming skills worth anything post peak? Hell, as a software engineer/consultant I question whether they are worth anything now.

The industry has become a complete hogwash since the early 00s tech fallout. There are certain skills and jobs that will always be in demand, such as system maintenance and administration, but true software development has become very commoditized in recent years. If I could get a flying DeLorean and rewind time to 1996 when I started college, I would never have picked IT or computer software as a career choice. Oh well, what's that they say... oh yea, hindsight is 20/20. Maybe I'll marry my doctor g/f and not have to worry about it. For better or worse, at least she'll always have a job.

[mekrob]

Prince,

Are you the one with a doctor gf that's a complete idiot (at least at gift buying) and very consumerist? I recall a thread about that and was just wondering...

[trackingbeacon]

Here is what to do:
Go to your local nusting home and ask for free aid training.
Become a registered health care aid, then start applying for credits at local community college, take classes to get pre req's done. If you do well go for the 2 year nursing degree nursing program, otherwise go for EMT school usually a year. if you are type A, blustery, fun loving, yarn spinning, good-ol-boy personality, and if you think you can see decapitated victims without loosing it you'll be a team leader. If you are an average guy not afraid to work you will do well.

Either way in two years you will be indispensible.
nurses now make up to 60 dollars an hour and they can work whenever they want.

Dental hygien, dentisty dental tech - forget it. Anyone with a pair of plyers and some ethanol can fix teeth.

[MD]

They are becoming quite rare, but I still see industrial controllers in operation since 1977. Moving up through the 80's, they become increasingly common. Stuff that was built in the 90's is still in support.

There will be programming tasks for quite a long time yet.

[Prince]

mekrob, good memory. Yea, that's the one. I wouldn't say she's a mindless consumerist, but her gift-giving sentiments are often disappointing. However, I had a birthday recently, and she shocked the hell out of me--in a good way--but usually she never ceases to find new ways to disappoint me. Is she perfect? No. But I nor am I. I could probably do better, but I could definitely do worse. For as book-smart as she is, she lacks an incredible amount of common sense and is very naive. She's also a bit of a narcissist, which is frustrating. I always joke around with my peers and brother that I could cheat on her, and would never get caught (I would never do this, just saying). I do love her, and know she loves me, and I'm not exactly the nicest guy in the world either, in the end, it all matters how a couple matches well with each other. I've often questioned if I would still date her if she wasn't a doctor. I can't give a true answer to that question, since I don't really know. The circumstances under which she acts would be entirely different, so it is hard to say.

[jesus_of_suburbia_old]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or as book-smart as she is, she lacks an incredible amount of common sense and is very naive. She's also a bit of a narcissist, which is frustrating.

[I_Like_Plants]

Who in hell thinks programming skills are worth a damn NOW???

My father died in poverty because he stubbornly stayed in computers, he'd have done great if he'd had the brains to see the writing on the wall and become a carpenter, hell he had a journeyman card, at least that's the family legend.

Yeah, EMT, some kind of bush doctorin' would be very good. Also dentistry - that's a different specialty.

I need to get to a gun show and pick up the books "Where there is no doctor" and "Where there is no dentist".

[username]

It's not like the world is suddenly going to stop needing computers, and I'm not talking about that big energy sucker on your desk. Embedded systems is a fine field to be in an energy poor world, but you have to really know your stuff or you're hosed. Sure, your kids might not be programmers but there'll still be plenty of work to be done for years to come.

[I_Like_Plants]

Hell I'd have gone into embedded programming myself if there were any damn jobs - there aren't.