[mindfarkk]

get a butterfly feeling in the pit of your stomach, as if you were falling off a cliff, that you are about to figure something out or see something that you've known was there and have been looking for a long time, and you know when you find it it's going to change your world forever and there is no going back, but you can't stop looking, and you are afraid but driven to look, and you really aren't sure if you can stand to pay the price of looking, and that's this deep terror and dread, like it's going to tear you apart, and that makes you want to leave it alone, but then again, you know you may find yourself liberated and empowered and that's what drives you too? and you already know too much to stop connecting the dots?

ever feel like that?

[PenultimateManStanding]

Sure I feel like that. I've given up posting on the future. We'll just have to wait and see. But your post has psychological aspects and that I know is something you have looked into. We're up against it now collectively, but these feelings you describe are also personal feelings about the scary world within. Your post on the Picasso picture made me laugh. Bless you.

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

Yeah.

I have, and I do.

[mindfarkk]

glad to amuse. i figure if i can laugh i am as rich as i need to be, and happy to share the wealth.

[PenultimateManStanding]

What do you mean 'I amuse you" Am I some sort of clown! Pulls out a gun (Goodfellas) No, I meant that I enjoy your posts. I enjoy all intelligence, especially when it comes from a woman.

[mindfarkk]

you talkin to ME? YOU! talkin to ME? you TALKIN to ME?

(now you have to guess where that comes from.)

actualy i just finished the first installment of power of nightmares and i feel kind of sick to my stomach. on the other hand, the last forty years of american history finally all make some sense to me, which is kind of a relief.

suprnova.org has closed down, btw. i went back for parts 2 and 3 and they were closed, so were most of the torrent sites on that section of index. i finally found them using Torrentsearch.

[PenultimateManStanding]

you talking to me? I'm giving a copy of that movie to my eldest daughter for Christmas. Its a classic. I already got it in the mail. My son gets "Fargo",
"The Cinncinati Kid", "Cool Hand Luke", and "The Great Escape"

[PenultimateManStanding]

Correct that, its not the Cinncinati Kid its "Nevada Smith" another Steve McQueen movie. One of the best I've ever seen!

[PenultimateManStanding]

I'm also giving my daughter "Easy Rider" along with "Taxi Driver" She's a communications major in L.A. who wants to get into the movie biz. She paid her way by playing collegiate Volleyball and will soon be going to Europe on a Volleyball tour. I hope she makes it home allright. I worry about these kinds of things now.

[PenultimateManStanding]

My Mother tells me that "Nevada Smith" is a spin off from a novel called "The Carpetbaggers" If any of you folks have Netflix or Blockbuster Online (Which I have) you ought to check out this movie.

[gg3]

Mindfarkk, what you described fits precisely the definition of a panic attack. The person's adrenal system goes on overdrive, they get flooded with fight-or-flight hormones, it feels like they are about to be eaten alive by alligators, and there is a tendency to simply freeze up like a rabbit caught in the gaze of a hungry wolf.

Not that there aren't sufficient causes to feel anxious, given what we know about the future.

But it's important to recognize the causes, recognize the body's tendency to respond to survival-threats with fight-or-flight reactions, and then *recognize that you are not facing immediate death at close range, so you have time to reason, time to get centered, time to plan your responses and put them into effect.*

Shift your focus of attention from being "inside" of the feeling of panic, to being an *observer* of it, as if you're watching yourself on video. And then reflect on what you think you should be doing in the video, and then direct yourself to do it.

Concentrative meditation, and mindfulness meditation, each done for ten minutes in the morning and ten minutes in the evening, are excellent exercises for strengthening the "rationality muscles" and the "decision-making muscles" and a range of other cognitive capabilities that people all too often allow to get out of shape. We need all the mental musclepower we can get, in order to make it through the transitions ahead.

[Specop_007]

Nope, never had that problem. In fact, I welcome adversity in my life as it gives me something to laugh at.

[Taskforce_Unity]

nope never had it, i never was very ignorant. It happens when you're world turns upside down. It didn't happen in my case with this (well my reality shifted because of other "personal" stuff but reality Outside of me doesn't change).

[mindfarkk]

actually this does not fit the diagnostic criteria for panic, although there are similarities. also, i do have panic attacks, so one could be related to the other. however, i don't *think* that's what this is. it's emotional, but it's also very cognitive. it's similar to the euphoria of discovery i used to get when i was writing really well and having epiphanies along the way. except these epiphanies are a mixture of relief at finally being able to make sense of what has previously only infuriated and confused me, and horror at what i'm actually finding and how it's transforming my life.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'g')et a butterfly feeling in the pit of your stomach, as if you were falling off a cliff, that you are about to figure something out or see something that you've known was there and have been looking for a long time, and you know when you find it it's going to change your world forever and there is no going back, but you can't stop looking, and you are afraid but driven to look, and you really aren't sure if you can stand to pay the price of looking, and that's this deep terror and dread, like it's going to tear you apart, and that makes you want to leave it alone, but then again, you know you may find yourself liberated and empowered and that's what drives you too? and you already know too much to stop connecting the dots?

[CarlinsDarlin]

I was talking to my husband the other day and said something to the effect that, "I wish sometimes I didn't know - it would be so much easier to be among the ignorant and not be worried all the time - looking for clues in news reports, planning, preparing, etc." But at the same time, even before I knew about PO, I wanted to set up a self-reliant homestead. So I would be doing what I'm doing anyway - perhaps with a little less urgency, but doing it nonetheless.

It's a sticky situation - on one hand, you are glad you know, and on the other, you wish you could live day to day like so many others, unaware of the troubles ahead.

All in all, though, I am glad I am informed.
Kathy

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlinsDarlin', 'I')t's a sticky situation - on one hand, you are glad you know, and on the other, you wish you could live day to day like so many others, unaware of the troubles ahead.

All in all, though, I am glad I am informed.
Kathy

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlinsDarlin', 'I')t's a sticky situation - on one hand, you are glad you know, and on the other, you wish you could live day to day like so many others, unaware of the troubles ahead.

All in all, though, I am glad I am informed.
Kathy

[mindfarkk]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', '
')Sounds like love

[PenultimateManStanding]

Where do you get these wacky emoticons? Blue Moon, You saw me Standing Alone...