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On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby Polemic » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 17:38:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')i]"I have long held the opinion that the amount of noise that anyone can bear undisturbed stands in inverse proportion to his mental capacity and therefore be regarded as pretty fair measure of it." --Schopenhauer

The dynamics of our dystopia would inspire laughter and derision in more sensitive creatures. Every step of "progress" brings us error and displays systematic ignorance that wiser generations knew how to suppress. We merely avoid or tolerate (i.e. ignore) these problems instead of confronting them, expecting that any words critical of modern progress would leave us socially ostracized.

Modernity demands equality of the unequal so the worst ideas are treated just as seriously as the best. We oppose any public judging so that no one's feelings are hurt by the comparison of foolish ideas to sensible ideas. We advocate individualism and diversity, only to wonder why we no longer have unity or any shared social concerns. Our decisions are made for short-term economic advantage instead of eternal values. The newly wealthy who have enjoyed this shortcut profess confusion over the reason that our civilization is rotting from the inside.

The soundscape of our society blares with futile idiocy: morons babbling, canned music to provide "atmosphere", and endless mechanical noise now deemed normal simply because it is pervasive and most people are too numb to notice. No useful information is conveyed through this assault on our senses, while the possibility of silence is stolen from us.


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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 17:58:20

I like the sidebar about iPods. I refuse to own one.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby gampy » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 20:50:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') like the sidebar about iPods. I refuse to own one.


Oh my word, that is a rant in itself.

It says something terrible about our ability to enjoy and appreciate art when the medium we use is so piss poor. How can you truly enjoy music when it is coming out of these tiny, and tinny sounding, little speakers, that hurt your ears?

It's akin to bringing home a beautiful one of a kind painting and then putting in a dark corner, and then squinting at it from across the room.

But I digress...
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby seldom_seen » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 20:59:52

Yes, thank you from someone who is very sensitive to noise.

People have grown so accustomed to the noise that silence makes them uneasy, nervous, so they have to turn something on. Do something to make noise.

The thought of being alone in silence is unthinkable.
But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 21:31:31

I usually don't notice it. One of the advantages to hearing impairment. But there is one noise that has always mystified me. I rather like it. I only notice it late at night or in the wee hours of the morning. That is the distant soft rumble of car tires on the freeways. All the individual sounds melt into one, spread out, attenuate and deepen. Sometimes I let it lull me to sleep. It's daylight right now and I can't hear it. I think its a phenomenon of nighttime acoustics.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby gampy » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 21:42:06

I was at my parents place in the country a little while back, and the silence can be deafening. In winter I mean. No wind riffling through the trees (no leaves to riffle through.) No bird noises, or other forest chatter. No cars, no horns, nothing. It is bizarre to go for a walk, and the only sound you hear is your own breathing. I think humans need a little bit of aural stimulation. No wonder people get cabin fever in the winter. It's not the lack of human contact, it's the lack of noise. Any noise. It drives you batty after a while.

I love the sound of birds and chipmunks, the occasional owl hoot, the sound of the wind in the leaves. That is music. Not the cacophony of the city.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 21:52:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', '
')I love the sound of birds and chipmunks, the occasional owl hoot, the sound of the wind in the leaves. That is music.
alas, that is not for me, never was. I remember in my youth cupping my hands behind my ears to try and hear the birdsongs better, feeling a bit forlorn.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby Daculling » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 21:58:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') like the sidebar about iPods. I refuse to own one.


Oh my word, that is a rant in itself.


I got one for a gift. I thought... what the hell am I going to do with this? Well... I backup my data to it. Have more than one use for everything.

I did use it to watch porn on an airplane when I first got it, but that upset people. I'm a scumbag ;)
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby dinopello » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 22:17:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hat is the distant soft rumble of car tires on the freeways.


One year I lived in a poorly made building right next to the train tracks. At least one big train came by every night and shakin the earth pretty good. That was a cool sound/vibration,
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby Baldwin » Fri 23 Feb 2007, 22:22:29

The only loud sounds I enjoy are those of my bagpipes or other instruments playing war music.

But I agree, people are over-exposed to sound. COnstant bombardment by loud noise can have damaging health effects too.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:06:59

I'm not too far from the train tracks so I get to hear the trains..... that's not too bad, but the trailer-trash hillbillies next door like two things: LOUD engines (older hillbilly) and loud rap music (younger hillbilly).

I was at the Indian store getting some groceries today, and the owner asked how I was, since I guess I looked annoyed (I was, about the hillbillies which I'd have to perhaps walk past and call the cops on tonight, since it's friday night) and I mentioned, I was just fine in my new place until these horrible neighbors moved in, that I'd already called the cops on 3 times, that were, you know, trailer trash? Wow did that guy ever laugh! I paid for my stuff and we got talking a bit more, and I said, you know, the US is headed DOWN (thumb downward) and you know, it deserves to go down because of the kind of people it develops, and he said he sure agreed.

Trailer trash tend to grow up immersed in the sounds of a blaring TV and their ol' man and ol' lady fighting so lots of cuss words etc., there's always a loud-ass engine around, barking dogs, etc. For fun TTs like to go to the thrift store or any other store for that matter, and yell at each other from across the room.

One thing for sure, the Empire will die with more of a bang than a whimper. :twisted:
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby Daculling » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 00:35:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '
')One year I lived in a poorly made building right next to the train tracks. At least one big train came by every night and shakin the earth pretty good. That was a cool sound/vibration,


Ever go "Trainin"?

Hide in the overpass trusses. When the train comes you stick you head through the ties. It's really loud and scary. Lots of power there streaming right above your head.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby username » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 01:35:53

It's been predicted that in a few decades we're going to have an "epidemic" of deafness from all the engines and blaring electronic entertainment. I've read they're trying to make hearing aids be somewhat fashionable like glasses so that they won't be associated with being handicapped or elderly.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'I') did use it to watch porn on an airplane when I first got it, but that upset people. I'm a scumbag ;)


That's downright creepy.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 02:31:28

We're going to have an epidemic of deaf little ol' Hispanic guys for sure. Poor bastards have to go out with those damn leaf blowers, and listen to that lawnmower engine strapped to their back, what a miserable job to make a guy do.

But yeah, I can see an epidemic of deaf hipsters from their stupid iPods too..... and since the thing to do in the US is to get fat, beginning in your pre-teens if possible, I wonder if deafness is one of the things diabetes tends to do to you? I know it does a lot of other stuff, from blindness to heart attacks.....
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby blukatzen » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 06:05:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'W')e're going to have an epidemic of deaf little ol' Hispanic guys for sure. Poor bastards have to go out with those damn leaf blowers, and listen to that lawnmower engine strapped to their back, what a miserable job to make a guy do. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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It's not only leaf blowers, it's also lawnmower themselves, and all the other gadgetry that some of their jobs have them use.
However, there are plenty of Hispanic guys in my neighborhood with those gods-awful mega-speakers that BOOM-BOOM-BOOM their choice of music at you. You can hear it in your house, inside the back rooms sometimes. What must it be like inside the car?

But yeah, I can see an epidemic of deaf hipsters from their stupid iPods too..... and since the thing to do in the US is to get fat, beginning in your pre-teens if possible, I wonder if deafness is one of the things diabetes tends to do to you? I know it does a lot of other stuff, from blindness to heart attacks.....[quote]

It is a way to be alone when you can't be alone..in the city. I was on an elevated train..the "el" and when you live in a large city, and have to travel downtown on public transportation..say to your job..etc. you keep your eyes a certain way, to yourself to avoid contact with people. For a "bubble"..for self-protection..whatever.
I don't work downtown, but had some business downtown, and not owning an I-Pod, I was probably the only one without that, or a blackberry, or gasp...a cell-phone, (which Heineken spoke of on another thread.)
All the people hooked up to their little brain-drains. They looked like the pod-people in that science-fiction movie. I wish they could have seen themselves. And all 20 or 30 somethings too.

I know all this new technology has an upside as to what it could bring to us, but it never discusses what it seems to take away as a side result. What was once a place for light conversation, friendliness, a smile after or going to work is now a train car full of drones with little boxes in their pockets and 2 little ear buds. What began with the Sony walkman is now in it's full glory, as "the personal bubble" one must not break is enhanced in it's full electronic glory.

I got off the train and shuddered. It seemed I was on board one of those Night-Gallery episodes where all the people on the train were already dead, but didn't know it. Creepy.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby FourOfSwords » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 09:59:35

Soon silence will have passed into legend. Man has turned his back on silence. Day after day he invents machines and devices that increase noise and distract humanity from the essence of life, contemplation, meditation.... Tooting, howling, screeching, booming, crashing, whistling, grinding, and trilling bolster his ego. His anxiety subsides. His inhuman void spreads monstrously like a gray vegetation.
-- Jean Arp, Sacred Silence
Sums it up for me.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby TheDude » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 13:52:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('username', 'I')t's been predicted that in a few decades we're going to have an "epidemic" of deafness from all the engines and blaring electronic entertainment.


By whom? Sounds like those "experts" who predicted that you'd have your eyeballs yanked out of their sockets by driving a car 50 miles an hour.
People used to up their entertainment quota in the winter - more festivals, brew winter ale, decorations to bring some color into the drabness, more singing (carols and whatnot), traditions like wassailing, etc. Push-button music is akin to TV dinners - no work required but what about the old saw about "The journey not the destination"?
I've heard about some sound systems that can conceivably kill the occupants of the car, which would be justice...
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 19:18:20

It does kill the occupants - their bodies will still go around and be good consumers but brain, soul, forget it.

I just called the cops about my trash neighbors, their boom-boom music was booming the whole neighborhood.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby PeakOiler » Sat 24 Feb 2007, 19:32:58

Loneliness is eating a frozen TV dinner to the sound of the refrigerator running.
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Re: On Noise and Frivolous Society

Postby I_Like_Plants » Sun 25 Feb 2007, 03:02:06

That's not loneliness you fool, that's the American Way.
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