[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')There is a projected shortfall of uranium as well causing the price to rise to $75.00/lb.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')
Besides, have you any idea what fuel costs are for a nuclear power plant?

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')There is a projected shortfall of uranium as well causing the price to rise to $75.00/lb.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'D')on't worry, the effects of peak oil will be showing up soon enough. It's been 18 months. Just about right on schedule. Don't count Hubbert out yet.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Trust me, we will notice when it comes.

To call a post-peak oil world prematurely and claim no effects is a strawman.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')
?????????? How about a 8-10 story boiler filled with thousands of water pipes, condensers, fans, pumps, wires, turbines, miles of ducts and 24"-36" pipes.......on each unit.

No investor would touch it if there was a shortage and they cannot meet demmand ?????

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')So what you say is a sign of a shortage, I ask why is there a shortage in the first place? Becuase many reactors will be built over the next 2 decades and investors know it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')After the 2 acccidents the production of nuclear fuel declined. As the pricepicks up, so will production now that it has become profitable again.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'W')ell I'm still trustin ya Monte, and I'm not doing anything with strawmen, I am simply demanding the doom which I have been told should BE here already.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Fuel costs are minimal considerations for whether or not to build a nuke plant. This is not what drives investors in nuclear power.

[Revi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'I') mean holy cow! Ruppert documents the US government taking down the towers YEARS prior to Peak to keep everyone from noticing or asking questions during the reserve takeovers in the Middle East and now we OWN Iraq and people are saying "just give it a few years, don't worry, we'll get to Doom sooner or later". I want my Doom already!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')So how long do you suppose it will be inbetween noticeable effects of peak, and economic collapse?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')So what you say is a sign of a shortage, I ask why is there a shortage in the first place? Becuase many reactors will be built over the next 2 decades and investors know it.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'F')irst, nuclear power will generate electricty not liquid fuel, which is going to be the crux of the matter.

One can say, ok, we will switch to electric cars.

Easier said than done. Scalability. Cost.

Not to mention, lack of grid transmission capacity with economies of scale in that over.

[Revi]

Micro grids may be the only way to keep the lights on. People have called the grid the world's most complicated machine. Without lots of cheap energy it goes off instantly. Look at what happened in Queens, NY last summer. There were substations blowing up, and lines got so hot that fires started. Lots of people were out of power for weeks. Not fun at 100 degrees.

I don't know what the plan is for the electric grid. It could play out like Duncan's olduvai gorge hypothesis. Lights start to fail around 2010, and go out for good soon after.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'F')irst, nuclear power will generate electricty not liquid fuel, which is going to be the crux of the matter.

One can say, ok, we will switch to electric cars.

Easier said than done. Scalability. Cost.

Not to mention, lack of grid transmission capacity with economies of scale in that over.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')
You have already hinted at the solution, where else would it be better suited to cut its teeth than in sunny arizona?

I hope your shortage comes as fast as possible, I hope your rates get outrageous, and I hope that the people demand a solution that cannot involve increacing the infastructure because of shortages; and solar power is put into action out of necessity instead of out of preferibility.

Its only then, when there is no cheaper fiesable competition, that it will begin to thrive.

[jbeckton]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')
You have already hinted at the solution, where else would it be better suited to cut its teeth than in sunny arizona?

I hope your shortage comes as fast as possible, I hope your rates get outrageous, and I hope that the people demand a solution that cannot involve increacing the infastructure because of shortages; and solar power is put into action out of necessity instead of out of preferibility.

Its only then, when there is no cheaper fiesable competition, that it will begin to thrive.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', 'O')pinions.......

Not facts.

The first steam engine or electric motor could not produce the power to reproduce itself, it now easily can. Solar will as well with time.

[Ludi]

jbeckton, are you saying solar will account for over 2 - 5% of the total production of energy in 5 years, or, what exactly are you saying? What exact claim are you making for solar?