[I_Like_Plants]

Well, I'm back.

I owe a BIG APOLOGY for my racist remarks.

Truth is, just like in Yugoslavia, there will be ethnically based tribes, that is true, but what is much deeper is value systems.

Silicon Valley falls apart, first on my check-off list is to shoot my white neighbors, and what will happen is the middle-class types mostly sticking together, the gangbangers (of all colors) etc.

Yes, there are remarks in the Old Testament and the Torah/Talmud about screwing over the out-group, and over historical time as well as currently, people who believe in that policy. But that is not a function of people being of any particular group. The Torah and that culture may have the most established "screw over the other guy" policy, but that's just because that group has been urban and civilized longer than most others. Take any other group and put them in the situation that creates civilization, farming, writing, all that, and you'd find them writing up religions that say to screw over the out-group too.

This explains why we have international capitalists, and our own home-grown neocons, of all races, electing to screw over the little guy even if the little guy is their own group.

I have been a real ass. The racial/genetic theories explain a lot, and explain more than the American educational system allows people to be taught in the schools, hence their popularity, but they are not correct.

Ultimately, on an Earth with 6.5 billion other humans on it, and reaching for 7 billion, it's likely your worst enemy is whoever is closest.

I really apologize, I hope I can participate in some constructive way here, and supply my share of useful info.

[gg3]

Thanks for posting that. It takes courage to admit mistakes, all the more so to write a lengthy mea-culpa.

I'd be interested to know what was the turning point. Was it an idea, or something you read, or something you saw first-hand, or a new belief system entirely, or...? Did it occur to you all at once, or over a period of time?

[I_Like_Plants]

It was tons and tons of study, soul-searching, digging deeper into the peak oil and collapse problem, and the final straw was getting these new psycho neighors and realizing that nothing would make me happier than kneecapping them then skinning them alive and staking them out on anthills. And they're white.

In a world where 9/10ths of humans are superfluous, anyone who's closest to you (physically) is probably your mortal enemy.

I say let's get this collapse thing going and get to the killing!

Truly, the collapse of our monster-civilization will be the big event in history and it's about time for the Earth. There's still a chance for Gaia to live if she cooks up some really good bird flu or something. I'm hoping for that or for a good "cascade" type collapse, that will be fun to watch.

So you see, little things like race just don't matter.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'S')o you see, little things like race just don't matter.

[I_Like_Plants]

Well I'm all for rendering my neighbors into little bits, so let's get this Collapse going!

There are actually a lot of decent people on this street, and I'm working on forming a network with them. But if "the balloon goes up" there's going to be some real cleansing around here - not really based on race, but based on who's a "bad egg" and the rest of us decide are better not to have around.

Of course there's a strong gang component around here, like almost everywhere in the US, this is where sniper skills can provide entertainment and fun. Just like Bosnia. I'm ashamed to say I've been a "varmint shooter" thinning out the odd prairie dog town for fun, a buddy and I used to go do this, but at least the skills will be handy in thinning out the REAL varmints.

[undertaker]

Well, Plants, maybe you don't have racial consciousness any more, but rest assured some of those "gang-bangers" still do.

When it gets down to the wire, a Latino will get behind another Latino and against you, a Black will get behind a Black against you, an Asian behind an Asian.

And who do you have? Just because you met a few dysfunctional White you suddenly turn on your own?

That's shameful. Ultimately, you proved to be a slave to fashion, like some kind of camp following female.

You perceived that your side is losing, so you switched sides. In prison you'd have a pair of breasts tattooed on your back.

[I_Like_Plants]

No, it's not that simplistic. Trust me there are plenty of La Raza types around here, plenty of Black "the world owes us a living" types, the whole gamut. But punkishness is a state of mind, not a state of race. These tend to be teens/20's, and in a few cases older folks who never matured beyond that.

What I'm saying is, yahoos are yahoos and more settled, realistic people are more settled, realistic people, and that transcends race.

Yeah, hell yeah, racial tribalism is a real thing, especially in the US. But when the shit hits the fan, I'm not going to blindly trust some dumbass whites who are willing to kill whoever's closest and most convenient, over more settled-down types who value skills etc.

My impression is that in Bosnia etc., you had groups based on beliefs and a general belief in decency, as well as racial groups. The decency-believers I think tended to be more educated and tended to get the fuck out of there, and what was left was "Me Serb, you Bosnian, KILL!!" types and their victems - the Serbs tended to have more weaponry.

No, I am not some innocent woo-woo here, I know the US is going to descend into some very ugly racial warefare. If I were to find myself in my neighbors' natural habitat, prison, I'd have to find my little racial slot and stay there. My understanding is that prisons in the US are *very* racially tribal these days.

Normal societies have always hunted down and shot mad dogs though. And in the coming US, there won't be someplace to run to, so we will have to solve our problems where they are.

[I_Like_Plants]

You know, I have to add to this. I lived for a while in a small Arizona town. The people there fit every stereotype you've ever heard about ghetto black people, the fatherlessness, the "world owes me a living" attitude, the anger, the spending on trashy blingy things, nasty food, all down the line. But they were white.

Low-class blacks are only detestable because they act like low-class whites. It really punctured the balloon of Ebonics when it was found that a good part of the language came from lower-class England a couple of centuries ago.

What you see, in lower-class blacks or whites, is what on radicalleft.org is called the "fuck you generation".

Immigrants come here and tend to have really solid middle-class values.

Then their kids grow up much more Americanized, and we all know this is not a good thing.

So, why do lower-class blacks, whites, and any other race who act like a lower-class American act like such shitheads?

What is it about our "culture" that creates this surprisingly large underclass?

I'm going to volunteer it's our wide class and income disparities, huge inequalities in schooling, opportunities, etc., and the emphasis on "bling or nothing", there's no esteem for simply being a good janitor or shoemaker or anything working-class in this country.

I guess it's not just getting some psycho-trash neighbors and reading tons more on Peak Oil and various philosophies, it's realizing that Horatio Alger is indeed dead in the US.

I am seeing people who were headed up, headed down now. I am seeing collegues who were on an upward arc, now on a downward one. I have had my accountant tell me (I have a small, really tiny, biz) that if I can find a job for $15 an hour or better, to take it because I will be better off. I have been working my azz off and it's resulted in no progress, and it won't, ever. A collegue of mine wishes he'd taken the very same accountant's advice 15 years ago!

How this related to all this racial shit and crazy lowclass whites is, both groups still think The Man's keeping 'em from the bling. Lowclass whites blame the other racial groups, but still consider themselves too good to put in the kind of dependable work it takes to get and keep that janitor job. Lowerclass blacks tend to blame Whitey, but they don't realize how shitty whites treat each other - we're mean bastards.

I will probably be best off going to work for the post office or something. Needless to say there are hardly any whites in there, I used to think because of racial quotas, but I've talked to enough PO people and investigated enough to see that it does not appear to be a major factor. It's that most whites consider themselves too good to go through the work needed, to be low man on the totem pole in the beginning and work their way up. I may work for a supermarket (Whole Foods comes to mind) and same thing - it's work most of my people consider themselves too good for, then they blame other groups for not having jobs.

Yeah the collapse in the US is going to be intensely racial. Everything is here. I will consider the goal to be to heal Mother Earth and cut down the population. And I get to choose whether to trim down mad dogs or decent people - it's the mad dogs we can do without.

[Aaron]

Glad to hear you decided race is meaningless in absolute terms...

Not so thrilled with the "I wanna eat my neighbors" stuff though.

Have you considered moving somewhere else guy?

I mean sheesh... gotta be better places than the one you describe in this thread.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')t was tons and tons of study, soul-searching, digging deeper into the peak oil and collapse problem, and the final straw was getting these new psycho neighors and realizing that nothing would make me happier than kneecapping them then skinning them alive and staking them out on anthills. And they're white.

[Baldwin]

I think the idea of humanity lining up for battle according to race really is plausible. In fact, I don't even think wealth will matter. It is far easier to glance at someone and see the solor of their skin than virtually any other trait. Somehow, I don't think this was an evolutionary accident.

The real question is, Who will win?

[eastbay]

It depends on how far down economically we go. If the collapse is complete separating into race-based tribes will be simplest and the most likely path of least resistance ensuring group survival.

However this will probably develop into such a mess race will be the least of everyone's concern. Discussing it now will have absolutely nothing to do with whatever outcome unfolds

Planning for post-collapse racial inclusion will not be very high on anyone's list of things to do.

[Polemic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t the beginning of 20th century, peoples of European descent ruled the world. They made up a third of its population, occupied half its landmass, controlled Africa, India, Southeast Asia, and parts of coastal China; their industry and technology, along with their philosophy, science, and art, had no rival; the world was theirs and theirs alone.

A century later, all was changed: Peoples of European descent had fallen to less than 9 percent of the world's population; their lands were everywhere inundated by non-Whites; their industry and technology outsourced to potential enemies; their state, social system, and media taken over by parasitic aliens; and, in the deepest demographic sense, they faced the not-too-distant prospect of biological extinction.

[undertaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')t depends on how far down economically we go. If the collapse is complete separating into race-based tribes will be simplest and the most likely path of least resistance ensuring group survival.

However this will probably develop into such a mess race will be the least of everyone's concern. Discussing it now will have absolutely nothing to do with whatever outcome unfolds

Planning for post-collapse racial inclusion will not be very high on anyone's list of things to do.

[I_Like_Plants]

Aaron - I was here first, I signed a lease, and I'm hoping the situation will "resolve" probably the old guy, the young punk, or both in prison soon for something or other.

And I just moved, I'd rather shoot the bastards than move, except for the legal hassles, so the best I can hope for is keep calling the cops when there's a reason, hopefully they mouth off at a cop and get killed. I wanna see it too! That would be cool!


And no I don't want to eat them, I doubt the cockroaches even will - bodies would be vitamin-deprived, stinky due to tobacco use, and God knows what other kinds of drugs in there. Coyotes may eat 'em though, I forecast a good era for coyotes when the Collapse happens

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') mean sheesh... gotta be better places than the one you describe in this thread.

[undertaker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'I') mean sheesh... gotta be better places than the one you describe in this thread.

[NEOPO]

Gives new meaning to the term "baby steps"

[I_Like_Plants]

That would be a good idea.

We will see the collapse happen irregularly, New Orleans was an early Collapse area, say an earthquake happening that messes up the water supply into Phoenix could get interesting, and right where I am could well be an early Collapse area due to likelihood of quakes, some desirable terrorism targets, some desirable false-flag targets, and close communication with Asia so human-transmissable bird flu will likely happen here.

So...... let's say I move out to .... the country! Greeeeeeeeeen Acressss...! Wait a minute.... I've lived out in the rural US, I know that tune and Green Acres it ain't! You need guns, vicious dogs, some sort of watch schedule, in effect you need to set up an armed camp, and you only take off your gun when you go into town. You don't walk anywhere, it isn't safe due to other ppl's vicious dogs and of course other ppl - who are also vicious. Been there, lived that. And that's during these prosperous, peaceful, times.