[bonjaski]

i would like to share my experience

i bought a lancia musa 1.3 multijet 90PS,

http://www.lanciamusa.it/

a great car in every aspect.

i now used it for the first 5500km and i only consume 3.8 liter diesel on 100km
~60mpg

i don't drive in cities and usually i don't drive faster then 100km/hour.

everyone could do that (not a great deal),

so with that and that a lot of transport could be done with trains.
i think its its easy to live very well with only 50% of todays oil consumption.

Additionally we can (already with todays technology) substitute 50% of that with biofuels.


so where is the problem?


that 2030 we won't have 30mio barrels and 30mio barrels of biofuels?
(with that and 60mpg even 100mio of chinese and 100mio of indians can drive)

that 2060 we won't have 15mio barrels and some improvements in biofuels?

that we need oil for biofuels?

that the EROEI of biofuels is negative ?

all things that even at peakoil.com were proven to be wrong,


so peakoil is not a problem.

for one interested in economics and science its an interesting event ...

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', '.')..it's an interesting event...

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', '.')..it's an interesting event...

[pup55]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '6')0mpg

[Jack]

Thread moved to "conservation" from "peak oil discussion".

Reason: content of original posting.

Jack.

[Revi]

I agree with the original poster. We can have a decent life with half the fossil fuels. We've done it in our household. Click on the symbol with the little house and www below to see our energy saving projects. The problem is getting others to follow. They seem determined to use more, not less even if it bankrupts them. Eventually I'd like to see people using cars like these:

www.sunnev.com

If we switched to lightweight solar charged transportation, there would be no crisis. We could use high speed trains between cities. In an ideal world there would be no problems with peak oil. Unfortunately people will freak out when they can't get as much fossil fuel. There will be a painful transition period, but it's inevitable. We'll be out of our cars by mid-century at the latest.

If you told somebody in 1907 that in a few years the Model T would make it possible for the average person to own a car they would have laughed. It's 2007, and in just a few years something is going to happen to the car. Maybe something better will come along. Let's hope so, or we'll all be walking.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', '
')so peakoil is not a problem.

for one interested in economics and science its an interesting event ...

[TreebeardsUncle]

Hi.

Well, biofuels are and will not be as efficient a source of energy as oil which indicates that they should be more expensive than oil.
Well, actually, why not hope that nothing better than cars come along so most eveyone will be walking?
g

[master_rb]

i have exactly the same opinion, there is so much room for conservation, only the price will force people to do that

we have people coming and picking up a few dvd's with ford explorers, do we need to drag a 3 ton monster to get a dvd?

getting along with the 50% of our today's usage can be done but people need to be responsible, it won't happen till the price of oil goes really high

i'm just scared of the markets reactions when the PO arrives, with energy constraint on, it's going to be hard to find investors, it might turn out to be another 1929, with this economic system anything is possible, today even a bomb exposion somewhere makes the markets nervous, with PO on it might turn out to be a disaster, we could get through with PO on for a long time if people were preparing for it and we had a different economic system but with the way it is now anything is possible

[snax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TreebeardsUncle', 'H')i.

Well, biofuels are and will not be as efficient a source of energy as oil which indicates that they should be more expensive than oil.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('snax', '
')The bottom line is that biofuels are sold today at prices that are comparable to petrol fuels by independent startups who are presumeably making enough money to stay in business. That seems to suggest the efficiency issue is less efficacious to price than you believe it should be.

[Taskforce_Unity]

Bonjaski, from the perspective of physics your observation is correct, there is much room for savings. The first flaw is that you are not looking at it from a global perspective. The 3 billion people that want cars cannot save from their current consumption, since they do not yet consume.

The second flaw is that you ignore human psychology, We do not want to drive smaller cars that are more efficient.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReserveGrowthRulz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', '
')so peakoil is not a problem.

for one interested in economics and science its an interesting event ...

[peripato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', 's')o where is the problem?

[bonjaski]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', 's')o where is the problem?

[Revi]

It seems like once we start to something about the problem, our fears melt away. I agree. I still think that peak oil is a problem, but since we are doing something about it, it doesn't seem like the monster it once was. It's coming, but we are a little more prepared for it, with our lifestyle changes.

If only we could get our government to take it serously and start to prepare people, there might not be as big a problem in a few years. If they just got people to switch their electric water heaters and got people into smaller cars that would help a lot.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', '
')
but transportation accounts for 70% of oil use,
only a fraction ges into industry

not only my use of diesel nearly halfed,
we don't use oil,gas to heat our house
(we use central heating power from wood)

[Ludi]

I'm mainly concerned about all the jobs that depend on cheap petroleum, and what those people (including me) will do for a living....

Our vendors now print in their catalogs "due to dramatic fluctuations in petroleum derivatives, we reserve the right to increase the prices of some of our products." This has an effect on our bottom line. Higher prices mean we have to charge more, eventually, we may not be able to pass along such price increases and continue to get orders.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bonjaski', ' ')
i don't drive in cities and usually i don't drive faster then 100km/hour.

everyone could do that (not a great deal),

so with that and that a lot of transport could be done with trains.
i think its its easy to live very well with only 50% of todays oil consumption.

Additionally we can (already with todays technology) substitute 50% of that with biofuels.


so where is the problem?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') agree with the original poster. We can have a decent life with half the fossil fuels. We've done it in our household.