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by **Ayoob_Reloaded** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 21:14:50

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San Diego (in respnse to Jack): I agree. Very anti-intellectual. But where are the intellectual centers? Los Angeles.

by **trespam** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 21:23:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'O')nly we fail to teach our kids that what we see is not the real world. And sometimes I wonder whether we are still able to make the distinction between the world we see on TV and the one we live in.

by **trespam** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 21:27:37

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San Diego (in respnse to Jack): I agree. Very anti-intellectual. But where are the intellectual centers? Los Angeles.

by **smallpoxgirl** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 21:27:40

I think it would be a serious error to assume that the purpose of schools has much to do with education. From what I can see it's about breaking kids will. What kids are learning is how to sit in neat rows with their hands folded and be quiet. They are learning submission. Actual intelligence is a grave offense in schools. They actively seek to dumb everyone down to the same level by placing them in a monotanous unispiring environment and teaching them the same irrelevant, uninteresting topics year after year after year. The power dynamics are really remarkable. Don't speak, move, or think without permission. Need to use the restroom? Tough. Hungry? Tough. Thirsty? Tough. Bored? Tough. DO NOT QUESTION AUTHORITY! If you do dare to question authority, we will dope you up with Soma...I mean Ritalin. There is an epedemic of pediatric constipation in this country, because the kids can't use the freakin bathroom when they need too.

Kids are naturally curious. If ya just let them be, they'll learning all day long. They have fun learning. Because of the way the power dynamics are constructed in schools, kids are trained to hate learning. School isn't about fostering the mind. It's about breaking the spirit. It's about forming individuals into one monotanous herd. It is not a coincidence that some of the most vocal proponents of public education were people like Henry Ford...people who needed cookie cutter workers, to work in cookie cutter jobs in cookie cutter factories. That BTW is the origin of bells in schools They were instituted to simulate the factory bells. To accustom kids to timing their movements and activity to the sound of the bell. A nice placid controllable herd.

by **Guest** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 21:47:19

I see your point smallpox, but dont you think kids need to be structured at least a little? Do you have kids?

And better yet, how would you suggest to go about educating kids?

by **smallpoxgirl** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 22:06:22

I think the unschooling people are probably the smartest thing going in terms of educating kids. (http://www.unschooling.com/) There's also deschooling (http://www.deschooling.org/)

I think basically-kids are smart. They are inquisitive. If you want to teach them, you have to let them take the lead. When they are curious, teach them. When they aren't...let it be. Whatever you do...have fun with it. Life is too short for drugery.

The other major point, IMHO, is that isolating kids away from the rest of the community is never going to work. The two most important drives for learning in kids are play and modeling. If they're off in some little room with only kids their own age, then they have no opportunity to model. They don't see adults or older kids doing their thing, so they don't develop the curiosity to learn adult skills. We take play out of the equation. We take out modeling. All we are left with as a motivation to learn are threats and coercion.

I think the best way to give kids structure is to integrate them into the real world. I'm not saying that is easily accomplished with the way life is structured in the western world right now. Clearly most people's bosses would freak if they showed up at work with their kids. But I do think kids need adults to learn from. The more adults they have to draw on, the better.

by **jesus_of_suburbia_old** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 22:11:40

I think the problem is information. Kids have far too much information thrown at them, whether it be from TV, magazines or the internet. How are they to determine what is important if their parents don't care to tell them? The media doesn't give a shit. The media is funded by corporations through advertising. The corporations simply see the kids as a demographic; developing consumers.

Jay Walking isn't scary to most. It's funny.

"Hey, look! Some untalented comedian who didn't deserve his job is asking people 3rd grade level questions. They can't get a single one rate. Oh Jay, what would the country do if your tired material didn't expose the inadequacies of our educational system?"

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If I make it to the rebuilding period of the post-peak world, I want to be in charge of developing the curriculum for a new educational system.

by **UncoveringTruths** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 22:18:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I make it to the rebuilding period of the post-peak world, I want to be in charge of developing the curriculum for a new educational system.

by **Specop_007** » Fri 17 Dec 2004, 23:33:12

What happened?? Simple. Parents. Parenting has become a secondary role in nearly every household in America.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 00:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hat happened?? Simple. Parents. Parenting has become a secondary role in nearly every household in America.

by **Specop_007** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 01:34:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hat happened?? Simple. Parents. Parenting has become a secondary role in nearly every household in America.

by **jato** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 01:44:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he power dynamics are really remarkable. Don't speak, move, or think without permission. Need to use the restroom? Tough. Hungry? Tough. Thirsty? Tough. Bored? Tough.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 01:59:42

Agreed, spec

by **KiddieKorral** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 07:20:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')o offense. And I did read your sig, but even the Qur'an does not forbid partying.

by **Guest** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 11:45:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'K')eep in mind that our President graduated from Yale as an undergraduate, and got an MBA from Harvard. This weakens your argument.

by **Riddick** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 15:05:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'K')eep in mind that our President graduated from Yale as an undergraduate, and got an MBA from Harvard. This weakens your argument.

by **SilverHair** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 15:29:04

What do you expect from a government owned/ government operated business.

Wait till you baby boomers try to collect Social Seccurity, another government owned/government operated business (pension business). I saw a study by Walter Williams years ago that calculated had your social security tax been invested by you in a private pension plan rather than the manditory government pension plan, when you retired you would get three times more in monthly payments and have a death benefit of $500,000 to leave to your children.

By definition these are socialist institutions.

If government operations work with any degree of effectiveness it is an accident. This is just the nature of government to be inefficient, ineffective, and rigid.

Strange how whenever there is a problem, people immediately think the government ought to do something about it.

No wonder freedom died.

by **Riddick** » Sat 18 Dec 2004, 17:28:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SilverHair', '
')Strange how whenever there is a problem, people immediately think the government ought to do something about it.

by **Terran** » Sun 19 Dec 2004, 00:00:51

Sure I'm still in highschool, but I think there are intelligent people in highschool. The good thing is today we have A.P (advanced placement) courses. I'm glad during my junor year I had plenty of those classes. Most of the students are gifted high acheivers. You don't really have to worry much about idiots in mainstream highschool. Sure if one don't want to deal with mainstream highschool, just join A.P classes as a escape. A.P classes are where the bunk of the highschool intellectuals. Best of all, you'll receive a grade bump, and if you pass that college level exam, you'll get college credit.

by **Jack** » Sun 19 Dec 2004, 00:20:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Riddick', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'K')eep in mind that our President graduated from Yale as an undergraduate, and got an MBA from Harvard. This weakens your argument.

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