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Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby GreenMarine » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 03:01:13

Or This may also be the slow collapse of continued controll.


http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html

The combo of Hydrogen & oxygen gases mix together burn clean and output a high combustion. Called Brown's gas or egas. They act like a catalyst to your gasoline or propane burning engines. As long as you burn the gas as you drive their is no danger of storing/compressing the gases in tanks (like propane)
That is the whole idea of "On Board Electrolysis Fuel Cells". Only make enough gas as you need. After you build a hydro-booster it gets you to thinking, hey if this works why not make one that produces enough gas to run my car totally on water! That is the part the DOE, the Oil Corp.s do not want you to do. It will cut them off someday. If they knew what I was writing here, they would have a .357 Magnum pistil to my head. Yes, Big Business have a MOB too. We need to be the MOB. Get everyone onto Water as a Fuel is the goal.


video link of real working controlled (fuel) generator working with water
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/wat ... ginehq.ram

for more info
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/wat ... 20car2.htm
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 04:28:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GreenMarine', 'O')r This may also be the slow collapse of continued controll.


http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html

The combo of Hydrogen & oxygen gases mix together burn clean and output a high combustion. Called Brown's gas or egas. They act like a catalyst to your gasoline or propane burning engines. As long as you burn the gas as you drive their is no danger of storing/compressing the gases in tanks (like propane)
That is the whole idea of "On Board Electrolysis Fuel Cells". Only make enough gas as you need. After you build a hydro-booster it gets you to thinking, hey if this works why not make one that produces enough gas to run my car totally on water! That is the part the DOE, the Oil Corp.s do not want you to do. It will cut them off someday. If they knew what I was writing here, they would have a .357 Magnum pistil to my head. Yes, Big Business have a MOB too. We need to be the MOB. Get everyone onto Water as a Fuel is the goal.


video link of real working controlled (fuel) generator working with water
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/wat ... ginehq.ram

for more info
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/wat ... 20car2.htm


Forget it.
Water run car is thermodynamic nonsense.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby greenworm » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 18:59:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ater run car is thermodynamic nonsense.


Little more proof would be great, these useless steer the sheep away blanket statements just won't do.

What part of the combustion of hydrogen is thermodynamic nonsense?
I mean as far as I know, it combusts. :lol:

Are you going the cost effective route? As in, how do we separate the H from the O more cheaply? Do I really need to show the 9volt battery example again?


Why would BMW sink so much money into hokus pokus science is beyond me?

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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby holmes » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 19:13:45

god help us all
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Grifter » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 19:27:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'g')od help us all


yeah :(
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 19:29:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'L')ittle more proof would be great, these useless steer the sheep away blanket statements just won't do.


If you don't understand the laws of thermodynamics, no amount of explaining is going to help you. You can not extract more energy from a process than you put into it.

That's not a limitation of technology, that's a limitation of physics.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'W')hy would BMW sink so much money into hokus pokus science is beyond me


Because they are in the business of selling cars, not science. They would make cars fueled by human corpses if there was enough demand for them.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Madpaddy » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 19:32:33

Dreamtwister wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ecause they are in the business of selling cars, not science. They would make cars fueled by human corpses if there was enough demand for them.


and they probably did towards the end of the war
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby holmes » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 19:37:02

The thing that horrifies me is that we will go to burning up our last vestiges of water as well as the oil if this was an actual viable machination. so we will be killing each other over water but we can motor on down the killing fields! yay! Listen there is no way out of this without suffering and death. face it we overshot big time. We fucked our future. Get used to it. no amount of wishful thinking is going to save us from the consequences. Most were never told that actions have consequences. its very obvious. think you can piss and shit in a toilet that doesnt flush and still get a clean cup of water to drink out of it?
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Madpaddy » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 20:01:37

Holmes wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hink you can piss and shit in a toilet that doesnt flush and still get a clean cup of water to drink out of it?


Can't I use a puritab?

http://www.aguidetoasia.com/health/water.php
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby dinopello » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 20:12:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'H')olmes wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hink you can piss and shit in a toilet that doesnt flush and still get a clean cup of water to drink out of it?


Can't I use a puritab?

http://www.aguidetoasia.com/health/water.php


Chemical and boiling might sterilize but it doesn't remove the chunky bits. Need at least some cheesecloth

As to the subject - good grief, the guy in the video says the whole thing runs off a 12HP generator. The generator makes electricity that splits the water molecules that is then used to power the motor. What runs the generator ?
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby holmes » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 20:43:11

LOL! Thats funny.
That does describe the human condition well tho: We are at the point now, desperate and demoralized, that we will devise ways to drink sewage and call it progress. turn self maintaining systems into filthy human dependent systems. It will get to the point where the toilet water is all we will have. damn without the massive infrastructure and energy inputs I would hate to see the state of our fresh potable water. Its not pretty.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 20:43:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', ' ')
the guy in the video says the whole thing runs off a 12HP generator. The generator makes electricity that splits the water molecules that is then used to power the motor. What runs the generator ?
what else? Pixie Dust!
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby holmes » Wed 31 Jan 2007, 20:44:45

actually my analogy is wrong. You can get one out of there with my wilderness water filter. You got me on that. Yuk tho! ewww.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 00:14:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you don't understand the laws of thermodynamics


I am more than adequately able, I didn't get a phd in engineering for nothing. :lol: I wouldn't question my physics, lad. Anyways, there are a myriad of companies attempting to perfect this technology as we speak. One man has already completed this, ooh, ooh, anyone know his name? Guess what, the second law of your most beloved thermodynamics is a sham. One company has the data and the proof to back up their claims. Don't let it trouble ya mate, these are fast times indeed, hope you can keep up.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 02:07:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I') didn't get a phd in engineering for nothing.


I disagree. Apparently, it's not worth the paper on which it's printed

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I') wouldn't question my physics, lad.


I'm questioning. Please demonstrate how you can extract more energy from a closed system than is required to power said system.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'O')ne man has already completed this, ooh, ooh, anyone know his name?


If that were true, everyone would already know his name.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'G')uess what, the second law of your most beloved thermodynamics is a sham.


Really? Then please demonstrate. Oh, and use small words, so us mere mortals can comprehend your mastery of physics.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'O')ne company has the data and the proof to back up their claims.

Right, and companies have never... you know...LIED or SKEWED RESULTS before.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'D')on't let it trouble ya mate, these are fast times indeed, hope you can keep up.

Don't trouble yourself with my capabilities.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 13:34:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') disagree. Apparently, it's not worth the paper on which it's printed


Go write to MIT then.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m questioning. Please demonstrate how you can extract more energy from a closed system than is required to power said system.


Fibonacci + electro magnetics = constant motion, oh my :lol:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f that were true, everyone would already know his name.


Why quote his name when I can give you a link. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ2DdCZlOk

There are plenty of more links about this man, you want more?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +car&hl=en

Plus, you are using horrible f*ckin logic, there is no causality whatsoever. If somebody invents a mechanism to separate H from O in water at a low cost, then one must conclude they are a celebrity. Where did you go to school? :razz:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eally? Then please demonstrate. Oh, and use small words, so us mere mortals can comprehend your mastery of physics.
I just did, see answer to second quote.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ight, and companies have never... you know...LIED or SKEWED RESULTS before.

Plenty have and your point is.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't trouble yourself with my capabilities.

Don't worry, I won't, now go back with the rest of sheeple flock and go shopping. :razz:
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 14:44:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') disagree. Apparently, it's not worth the paper on which it's printed


Go write to MIT then.


What would that accomplish? If they awarded you a degree, they obviously know as little about the subject as you. Now that's a scary thought!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m questioning. Please demonstrate how you can extract more energy from a closed system than is required to power said system.


Fibonacci + electro magnetics = constant motion, oh my :lol:


Electro magnets = energy input required = open system! Oh my!


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f that were true, everyone would already know his name.

Why quote his name when I can give you a link. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDJ2DdCZlOk

There are plenty of more links about this man, you want more?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... +car&hl=en

Oh boy! a guy with even fewer qualifications than you claim to have! Until I see those water-powered space craft, this guy is just another snake oil salesman. Let's see him generate electricity with his gizmo and power itself. If he can't, then it's not a closed system, and the second law still applies.

Oh, and I really like the dune buggy with "Jesus Christ is Lord" airbrushed on the quarterpanel. Yeah, there's a guy who's grounded in science. :roll:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'P')lus, you are using horrible f*ckin logic, there is no causality whatsoever. If somebody invents a mechanism to separate H from O in water at a low cost, then one must conclude they are a celebrity.

No I'm not, it makes perfect sense. Guy discovers zero-point energy. Guy revolutionizes the economy. Guy gets schools named after him. There's plenty of causality. I just didn't realize I had to walk a "physicist" through it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'W')here did you go to school? :razz:

You are more than adequately demonstrating why people shouldn't disclose that type of information over the internet. Even if you are telling the truth, nobody believes you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ight, and companies have never... you know...LIED or SKEWED RESULTS before.

Plenty have and your point is.

Are you being sarcastic, or obtuse?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')on't trouble yourself with my capabilities.

Don't worry, I won't, now go back with the rest of sheeple flock and go shopping. :razz:

OK, NOW I'm insulted.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby greenworm » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 15:31:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')lectro magnets = energy input required = open system! Oh my!


Oh sorry, didn't factor in the KE necessary to put the thing together. Sorry. Continue to pay for your electricity like the sheep that you are.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd the second law still applies.


Never said hydrogen was a closed end system. Your getting the two arguments entangled. Maybe step away from the mocha latte, do a lap around the house, and then calm down. All that is necessary to make hydrogen possible is to use less energy in the extraction of it, then the available stored energy in hydrogen. Hydrogen is no different than the extraction of oil except the energy per unit is less than oil.

And not once did you say 'conspiracy', I applaud you, it seems the sheep are adapting, slowly albeit.

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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 16:11:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', ' ') All that is necessary to make hydrogen possible is to use less energy in the extraction of it, then the available stored energy in hydrogen.

But extraction of hydrogen from water will require as much energy, as energy released during its combustion to produce water. That is under perfect setup.
In any practical setup you will have to use more energy to extract hydrogen from water, than you will get back by burning it, due to inevitable losses.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ydrogen is no different than the extraction of oil except the energy per unit is less than oil.

Sounds like nonsense, could you clarify?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd not once did you say 'conspiracy', I applaud you, it seems the sheep are adapting, slowly albeit.

I observe, yet another sheep is desperate for energy, which will be denied to it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dreamtwister', 'W')hat would that accomplish? If they awarded you a degree, they obviously know as little about the subject as you. Now that's a scary thought!

That is not scary. That is politically correct.
Any idiot, who pay a tuition fees, regardless how stupid s/he is will get a degree these days.
Equal opportunities (or rather positive discrimination...) to qualify for higher education, I suppose.

One of reasons why I dont believe, that technology will save us, is that more and more retards are apparently in charge of it.
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Re: Call this a cry of hope!!

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 01 Feb 2007, 16:23:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'A')nd not once did you say 'conspiracy', I applaud you


Why would I? The only people who might actually want to bury zero point energy are OPEC. Even the oil companies have seen the writing on the wall and started diversifying. 30 years ago maybe they would have conspired to bury it, but today they would just seek licensing on the generator and go right on making barrels of money.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'N')ever said hydrogen was a closed end system. Your getting the two arguments entangled.


No, you said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'G')uess what, the second law of your most beloved thermodynamics is a sham.


Turns out it's not.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'A')ll that is necessary to make hydrogen possible is to use less energy in the extraction of it, then the available stored energy in hydrogen. Hydrogen is no different than the extraction of oil except the energy per unit is less than oil.


Exactly. So if you can extract more energy from the process than is required to perform the process, you should be able to use that hydrogen to generate electricity, then use that electricity to perpetuate the reaction with a net energy gain. If you can't do that, then it's an energy sink. Can this guy's machine do that? I doubt it.

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