[Stratovarius]

Public schools, especially in rural areas, are heavily reliant on transportation to get kids to and from school. Staff, food, and kids all use a gasoline powered machine to get there and back.

Will schools ever get shutdown because of oil prices?

[gampy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Stratovarius', 'P')ublic schools, especially in rural areas, are heavily reliant on transportation to get kids to and from school. Staff, food, and kids all use a gasoline powered machine to get there and back.

Will schools ever get shutdown because of oil prices?

[Kylon]

For those who have money, there may be boarding schools, or boarding houses, houses that house children so that they are closer to public schools.

[Novus]

Hopefully home schooling becomes the norm post peak. In all my years as a student in the public school system I learned nothing. Most lessons seemed to almost make me dumber. Every teacher I had tried (and thankfully failed) to crush my free spirit. The school system in America is not designed to bring out the best in people but to dumb them down and make them into blind little sheep that are easy to controll. The sooner public schooling goes bankrupt the better off we will all be.

[gego]

I suppose it depends on how things unravel.

My view is that people will be so all consumed with the basics; water, food, security, and disease care are going to prevent most from even thinking about formal education.

How many kids went to school during Katrina and the aftermath? Consider that the world wide population reduction rate could average 140,000,000 per year for each year from 2015 through 2050, I think that school will so rare as to be inconsequential.

The schools will hang on at first, but certainly not after the electric grid fails. Kids will be essential labor for families that hope to survive. Maybe during winter time there will be knowledge passed on in little doses in homes, but public education will be a thing of the past.

[Ayame]

There will be practically zero formal schooling post-peak (unless you want to include apprenticements in crafts such as coopering, masonary, blacksmithing etc.) Most children will be used as cheap family labour on farms as they used to be. I reckon that a few generations post peak and 70% will be illiterate.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'H')opefully home schooling becomes the norm post peak.

The sooner public schooling goes bankrupt the better off we will all be.

[Stratovarius]

I agree, the better off we will be if public schools just collapse, unfortunately what will happen is what Desertbear described...unless something can replace it.

I always speculate about why most people seem to be so dumb and how to fix it. I really have no idea.

It seems like you either have 99% of your population being educated but literate or you have something like 50% literacy and producing a high number of geniuses.

There is probably no way to get around fundies teaching their kids ridiculous things but as long as you produce a not-dumb society, most of these people will be suppressed (I hope so).

Read "Dumbing Us Down" by John Gatto.

[Kylon]

The solution to dealing with the dumbing down of education, is to create voucher schools that are cram schools. These cram schools will be designed so that unless you study a whole bunch, and unless your a competant individual, you won't succeed.

The end result would be that individuals who were stupid, whose parents tried to get them in, would find that they failed miserably, and so they'd move out, and leave the free thinking individuals alone.

So you'd end up with high quality education, while the yahoos could mess up the public education system.

Also, the voucher school system would be setup to be able to work in tandum with other programs outside of the school. If you were a fundy, or a athiest or whatever, and you wanted to have your childs education furthered even more, there would be school provided activities, which the school would not provide the resources for. So you could get grade for doing a lab, which the school might not provide the resources for, but a private institution that worked with the school would.

This way you get first class education, while the yahoos not being smart enough to function well enough in the voucher system would just drop out (or be expelled).

What do you think?

You'd get a lot of geniuses that way.

[Stratovarius]

What is a voucher school and a cram school? Sorry, I'm a n00b.

The Educational System Was Designed to Keep Us Uneducated and Docile

Mandatory schooling is the worst idea ever. Obviously, it's not even working (not that much anyway). The idiots get to go to school for an abominable amount of time (13 years wtf) and waste tax payers' money since many will use only a fraction of what they learned in school. They could have been doing something more practical like learning some kind of trade.

We have crap teachers and classes of 1:20-30 just because nobody wants to be a teacher.

I keep stressing that we need to bring back logic and philosophy into schooling starting at kindergarten. From autobiographies and biographies I've read, most people get very compassionate about learning philosophy at around age 14-16.

Basic logic (straw man, red herring, appeal to emotion/authority etc. the endless fallacies) should be taught slowly to kids <14 years old and start bringing in philosophy >13 years old.

All these behavioral problems and idiocy in schools would probably fix itself if school was not mandatory and this country wasn't so damn commodified (a result of being stupid).

Hence more people would want to teach and there would be more people wanting to learn which means better teachers, more individual attention and people would start learning for the future.

Humans are born wanting to learn but in countries like America it's buy buy buy. And this attitude of school = shit, school = learning, therefore learning = shit. And learning in a public is just NOT fun (and not really "learning" or attaining "wisdom") sorry. You should be relaxed, not stressed by all these deadlines, and learning at your own pace and what you want.

"But if we do that, people will leave gaps in their education." Wrong.

I've loved...well I love to learn about pretty much anything. I wanted to be a physicist (now engineer) for a long time and that requires a lot of knowledge in math. OMFG MATH so boring! Math is only boring because the person who tries to learn it (or should I say forced to learn it) doesn't see it as a necessary part of themselves.

And they're probably right, it isn't a necessary part because well they have no value in learning because since the age of 5 they've been indirectly taught to hate it, they haven't made up their mind about their future or they have made up their mind about their future but nobody bothers to pay attention.

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Anyway, since I needed the math to become a physicist, I bought (ZOMFG you're learning on your OWN?!?! with your own money?!) teach yourself college algebra, pre-cal, and trig book. It took me maybe 2 months to go through the algebra book, 3 months for the pre-cal book and I'm partially into the trig book. OMG! How did you teach yourself that stuff so fast?!?! These books do leave some holes. These are filled once you get something highly lauded in higher levels of math. You do get everything you need though.

I didn't teach myself that fast. It's just that public schools go at the pace of a fucking snail and so it takes like 8 months for 1 subject.

Previously I didn't like math that much because I went to school (lol). But since I desired to be good in whatever I do, I found out I did like math...I liked learning.

You can't win first place in the marathon at the Olympics unless you go through grueling hours of training and preparing.
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Shit, I hate school.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'T')he solution to dealing with the dumbing down of education, is to create voucher schools....