[Zardoz]

NIMBYism is a tough obstacle to overcome:

Long Beach energy project halted - The city cancels plans for a liquefied natural gas terminal.

It was all about perceived safety issues.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a unanimous vote, the Long Beach Board of Harbor Commissioners decided to end an environmental review of the project that was launched more than two years ago but had slipped far behind schedule. The action effectively terminates the effort by the port and a partnership of Mitsubishi Corp. and ConocoPhillips to build a $700-million liquefied natural gas plant inside the busiest cargo port in the nation...

...Specifically, opponents raised safety concerns, citing the potential for a catastrophic natural gas explosion that could kill hundreds of people and devastate much of the Long Beach waterfront.

"This project would have put over 140,000 people who live and work within 3 miles of that LNG terminal at risk," said Harvey Morris, an attorney for the Public Utilities Commission. "The evidence was overwhelming there's all kinds of things that could go wrong if there was a terror attack or earthquake. There's a need for LNG, but there are much safer alternatives."

[Pablo2079]

Good question...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here will the LNG come from?

[ChumpusRex2]

The thing is that Russia have basically said that they will not be allowing US companies to build gas infrastructure, and that they have no interest in developing LNG. They can sell all the gas they can produce by pipeline in Europe and China, and a far lower cost than LNG.

The other places with huge gas reserves are the middle east, particularly Qatar, and North Africa.

Qatar is investing extremely heavily in LNG infrastructure, so we may seen the US taking large supplies from Qatar - even if it means tankers have to go round the Cape.

[Niagara]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ChumpusRex2', 'Q')atar is investing extremely heavily in LNG infrastructure, so we may seen the US taking large supplies from Qatar - even if it means tankers have to go round the Cape.

[Bleep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', 'W')hy not build an LNG terminal on the east coast then?

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pablo2079', '.')..
The only player I can think of that would send it would be Russia. I would think that customers closer to them would have a use for the NG (Japan, China).
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[Laurasia]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Niagara', 'W')hy not build an LNG terminal on the east coast then?

[Pablo2079]

I would think shipping Iranian NG to the West Coast would be the long way for it to go.... plus Iran has a large customer nearby (Europe) that would be more than happy to take it off their hands (as long as there aren't trade restrictions). Selling to Europe would probably avoid the need to liquify it. I'm not sure of the NG pipeline situation in the area though, but it seems like they could send it North and hook into existing pipelines that way.

[whatpeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'N')IMBYism is a tough obstacle to overcome:

Long Beach energy project halted - The city cancels plans for a liquefied natural gas terminal.

It was all about perceived safety issues.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a unanimous vote, the Long Beach Board of Harbor Commissioners decided to end an environmental review of the project that was launched more than two years ago but had slipped far behind schedule. The action effectively terminates the effort by the port and a partnership of Mitsubishi Corp. and ConocoPhillips to build a $700-million liquefied natural gas plant inside the busiest cargo port in the nation...

...Specifically, opponents raised safety concerns, citing the potential for a catastrophic natural gas explosion that could kill hundreds of people and devastate much of the Long Beach waterfront.

"This project would have put over 140,000 people who live and work within 3 miles of that LNG terminal at risk," said Harvey Morris, an attorney for the Public Utilities Commission. "The evidence was overwhelming there's all kinds of things that could go wrong if there was a terror attack or earthquake. There's a need for LNG, but there are much safer alternatives."

[Chaparral]

Alternative sites are still possible. These include Ensenada, Mexico as well as some of the offshore oil platforms off the coast of Ventura & Sta Barbara Cos. The issue with Long Beach was 1) an explosion and 2) local jobs. I guess fear of fireballs won out over the jobs. I never really heard PO mentioned in the local debates.

I think Platform Grace off of the Ventura-Sta Barbara line, which by the way is an awesome dive site is in the running for possible LNG use. It is the closest rig of that group to the LA Metro area.

No one has mentioned to my knowledge, platforms Edith, Emily and Eureka off of Huntington Bch.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', 'A')lternative sites are still possible. These include Ensenada, Mexico as well as some of the offshore oil platforms off the coast of Ventura & Sta Barbara Cos.

[Terrapin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pablo2079', 'G')ood question...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')here will the LNG come from?

[PeakOiler]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', '
')I'm not sure that LNG is that easy to transport huge distances across country so probably the West Coast would need its own terminals. Or is it allowed to go back into its gaseous state before going into pipelines? Can anyone enlighten me on that?

Thousands of miles of pressurized pipelines does not sound very healthy to me.

Regards,

L.