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What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new materia

Unread postby 128shot » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 00:36:23

Researchers have discovered a new class of aluminum-hydrogen complexes that exhibits unique chemistry and may one day be used as basic building blocks to create materials for use in alternative forms of energy and high energetic materials.

http://www.physorg.com/news88438184.html


Potential ??
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 00:57:28

Is being a peaker being a radical? 8)
Everything has "potential".
At this point I do not believe there is a solution for 6.5 billion people.
We can store all the hydrogen we want - we still have to generate the electricity, retool an industry, rebuild an infrastructure etc etc etc.

All for what? to grow to 65 billion and end up with our backs to the petri dish wall at some later date?
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby mmasters » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:07:03

Say it does evolve into something substancial. We avert PO. Then putting the infrastructure in place to support the world economy takes around 15-20 years.

However, there's a bigger problem. Generally speaking we only have at most 50 years of natural resources left at current consumption. How do we solve this looming mammoth of a problem as the population is a few billion larger and continues to grow exponentially?

There really is no rational way out of this mess except for a great economic reconfiguration, whereafter, most the world will lie in poverty. Only this scenario will reduce the overall consumption rate enough to substancially delay the resource problems.

The people that control our economy have the power to do this and ultimately will because doing so will insure their survival above everyone elses.
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby threadbear » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:24:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'S')ay it does evolve into something substancial. We avert PO. Then putting the infrastructure in place to support the world economy takes around 15-20 years.

However, there's a bigger problem. Generally speaking we only have at most 50 years of natural resources left at current consumption. How do we solve this looming mammoth of a problem as the population is a few billion larger and continues to grow exponentially?

There really is no rational way out of this mess except for a great economic reconfiguration, whereafter, most the world will lie in poverty. Only this scenario will reduce the overall consumption rate enough to substancially delay the resource problems.

The people that control our economy have the power to do this and ultimately will because doing so will insure their survival above everyone elses.


I hate to say this, but the way it will play out, will be a redistribution of income, coupled with rationing of resources, and either a permit required to have children, or education sufficient to discourage 90% of the population on the planet from having children.

It, unfortunately, will be a very regimented planet, (hopefully more self than govt regulated) or no planet at all. This is going to become increasingly clear in the future and the American frontier mentality that has helped nurture laissez faire capitalism will become very unpopular. People who advocate individual economic freedom will be seen as bumbling retards, who are hogging all the pie. The myth of a growing pie will die.
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby MD » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:30:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..a new class of aluminum and hydrogen molecules (Al-H) that are very stable and can potentially be created in bulk quantities...


created?
energy-in please?
another battery?

sure, we need good batteries/hydrogen storage...yup.
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby mmasters » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:52:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')I hate to say this, but the way it will play out, will be a redistribution of income, coupled with rationing of resources, and either a permit required to have children, or education sufficient to discourage 90% of the population on the planet from having children.

It, unfortunately, will be a very regimented planet, (hopefully more self than govt regulated) or no planet at all. This is going to become increasingly clear in the future and the American frontier mentality that has helped nurture laissez faire capitalism will become very unpopular. People who advocate individual economic freedom will be seen as bumbling retards, who are hogging all the pie. The myth of a growing pie will die.


That's basically what I said. :P

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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby smiley » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 16:57:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'c')reated?
energy-in please?
another battery?


Cheer up. This could be significant.

Yes it would be another battery. But who says that batteries aren't useful.

If this 'battery' offers a better weight/volume to energy ratio than current designs this is a step forward.

Of course it does not resolve the issue of energy production. But unless you believe that we will either die or return to a quiet caveman-like existence we will be producing some energy.

And that means we also need the means to carry that energy around. Since we most likely will not enjoy an abundance of energy, we have to be as efficient with our energy as we can.

Any step that can increases the efficiency of energy distribution and storage is therefore more than welcome.
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby 128shot » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 21:32:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')s being a peaker being a radical? 8)
Everything has "potential".
At this point I do not believe there is a solution for 6.5 billion people.
We can store all the hydrogen we want - we still have to generate the electricity, retool an industry, rebuild an infrastructure etc etc etc.

All for what? to grow to 65 billion and end up with our backs to the petri dish wall at some later date?



well..


most this forum believes civilization will be severely hampered/ end in some catastrophic way, due to the affects of peak oil....


If thats not the definition of radical...what is?
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby PolestaR » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 00:07:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') hate to say this, but the way it will play out, will be a redistribution of income, coupled with rationing of resources, and either a permit required to have children, or education sufficient to discourage 90% of the population on the planet from having children.

It, unfortunately, will be a very regimented planet, (hopefully more self than govt regulated) or no planet at all. This is going to become increasingly clear in the future and the American frontier mentality that has helped nurture laissez faire capitalism will become very unpopular. People who advocate individual economic freedom will be seen as bumbling retards, who are hogging all the pie. The myth of a growing pie will die.


The amount of energy and cost to "humanely" stop population growth worldwide is not even worth contemplating as a viable option. A virus which kills the 3rd world people (like AIDs or Bird Flu) would allow the 1st worlders to still think it's not their fault that all those people died, and then they can go "phew at least the population problem is solved, lets go to StarBucks". I even think that if a major crisis was happening to 1st worlders due to worldwide population pressures they would support nuking these 3rd world countries.

However unless something is found to replace fossil fuels even 1st worlders will face population pressures as nearly every country is overpopulated thanks to cheap energy. I just hope the status quo remains for as long as possible, burn that black blood (oil), get rid of it.
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby Bas » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 00:50:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')I hate to say this, but the way it will play out, will be a redistribution of income, coupled with rationing of resources, and either a permit required to have children, or education sufficient to discourage 90% of the population on the planet from having children.

It, unfortunately, will be a very regimented planet, (hopefully more self than govt regulated) or no planet at all. This is going to become increasingly clear in the future and the American frontier mentality that has helped nurture laissez faire capitalism will become very unpopular. People who advocate individual economic freedom will be seen as bumbling retards, who are hogging all the pie. The myth of a growing pie will die.



That's basically what I said. :P

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I see that. And nobody can foretell the future.
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Unread postby threadbear » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 00:56:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')I hate to say this, but the way it will play out, will be a redistribution of income, coupled with rationing of resources, and either a permit required to have children, or education sufficient to discourage 90% of the population on the planet from having children.

It, unfortunately, will be a very regimented planet, (hopefully more self than govt regulated) or no planet at all. This is going to become increasingly clear in the future and the American frontier mentality that has helped nurture laissez faire capitalism will become very unpopular. People who advocate individual economic freedom will be seen as bumbling retards, who are hogging all the pie. The myth of a growing pie will die.


That's basically what I said. :P

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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 00:58:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')s being a peaker being a radical? 8)
Everything has "potential".
At this point I do not believe there is a solution for 6.5 billion people.
We can store all the hydrogen we want - we still have to generate the electricity, retool an industry, rebuild an infrastructure etc etc etc.

All for what? to grow to 65 billion and end up with our backs to the petri dish wall at some later date?



well..


most this forum believes civilization will be severely hampered/ end in some catastrophic way, due to the affects of peak oil....


If thats not the definition of radical...what is?


Uuuuuh...optimistic?
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 05:23:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I')s being a peaker being a radical? 8)
Everything has "potential".
At this point I do not believe there is a solution for 6.5 billion people.
We can store all the hydrogen we want - we still have to generate the electricity, retool an industry, rebuild an infrastructure etc etc etc.

All for what? to grow to 65 billion and end up with our backs to the petri dish wall at some later date?



well..


most this forum believes civilization will be severely hampered/ end in some catastrophic way, due to the affects of peak oil....


If thats not the definition of radical...what is?

Omg it is!!
Thats it... I am getting the fuck outta here!! :o
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Re: What does the radical peak oil crowd make of dis new mat

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 05:40:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('128shot', 'R')esearchers have discovered a new class of aluminum-hydrogen complexes that exhibits unique chemistry and may one day be used as basic building blocks to create materials for use in alternative forms of energy and high energetic materials.

http://www.physorg.com/news88438184.html


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The EROEI of such materials will NOT exceed 1 under any circumstances, which one can imagine.

Aluminohydrides (alanes) will only have applications as energy carriers, but never as primary energy sources.

Possible applications are likely to stay within rocket propulsion technology and similar areas of engineering.

You may check in google for lithium aluminium hydride, LiAlH4, if you would like to know more about chemistry of such compunds.
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