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Unread postby AWPrime » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 20:02:09

The biggest concern of the Netherlands (where I live) is the rising sea level. If Global Warming (and related problems) is as bad as we fear then a large part of the country will be covered by water by the end of the century.
Now last week I found this, a design for a floating city.
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Now the basic concept for a floating city could solve some problems even if they can't house everybody.
Now, do you think that this could be a solution (one of many) for some countries?
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby americandream » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 20:27:52

We can't even get the basic technology we've used since the advent of the internal combustion much beyond the consumer oriented gift wrapped version that passes high tech in the 21st century.....so no, anything larger than a toothpick is simply in the land of fables.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 20:34:54

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH :lol:
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 23:05:35

Since the rate of warming is accelerating, The Netherlands will be obliterated by the sea far sooner than the end of the century. If you believe otherwise, you're engaging in an understandable fantasy.

Floating cities? Now that's a less forgivable fantasy.
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Unread postby Laughs_Last » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 23:23:27

How will the Atoller's defend themselves against the Smokers?
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 19 Jan 2007, 23:42:20

God, that was one stinker of a movie, wasn't it?
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Laurasia » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 00:11:31

I would like to think this could be accomplished, and certainly no other country has the will and know-how to literally confront the sea and wrest living-space from it like the Dutch. If that oil sheikh fella in the Gulf can build a palm-tree shaped island simply for tourism then I think the Dutch could probably come up with a floating city simply for survival.
Better start stocking up on building materials, though.
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Unread postby gg3 » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 01:35:42

Personally I'm very skeptical about floating cities and other solutions that seem to be based on the feeling, "this was cool in science fiction so let's do it."
However if there are any countries that could pull off something like that, Holland and Japan are the ones.

On the other hand, there may be other solutions to this. I don't know. It would frankly scare the hell out of me to be living below sea level. And from everything I hear, Holland is a very sane country, populated by very sane people, level-headed, non-dogmatic, etc. It would be an enormous tragedy for the place to be lost and its people scattered.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby AWPrime » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 06:24:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'S')ince the rate of warming is accelerating, The Netherlands will be obliterated by the sea far sooner than the end of the century. If you believe otherwise, you're engaging in an understandable fantasy.

We couldn't say for sure about 20 years so I took the entire century to make this discussion simpler.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')loating cities? Now that's a less forgivable fantasy.

Well it is technically possible and should be more efficient. But I do worry about superstorms.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Laurasia', 'I') would like to think this could be accomplished, and certainly no other country has the will and know-how to literally confront the sea and wrest living-space from it like the Dutch. If that oil sheikh fella in the Gulf can build a palm-tree shaped island simply for tourism then I think the Dutch could probably come up with a floating city simply for survival.

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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby skyemoor » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 07:55:12

Interesting concept. If anyone can do it (vision, innovation, motivation, ability), the Dutch could. Ironically, while they are one of the most vulnerable to climate change, they are one of the best at minimizing fossil fuel consumption due to energy efficiency, pedestrian/bicycle scale cities, and renewable energy.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Heineken » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 09:40:43

I also respect the Dutch (and Dutch beer!).
But "floating cities" are a solution to nothing.

The costs of construction would be unmanageable, and maintenance would be a losing battle. It's expensive enough just to keep a boat shipshape. And how would people live there?
Holland's economy will collapse when the country is inundated by the North Sea. There won't be any economic context for floating Dutch cities.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 11:10:28

Heineken,
I agree with you. The Dutch know this too. That's why they bought up the best land in West Cork in Ireland about 30 years ago.
Expat Dutch and Germans are very strong drivers of environmental awareness in Ireland such as it is.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby AWPrime » Sat 20 Jan 2007, 12:17:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he costs of construction would be unmanageable, and maintenance would be a losing battle. It's expensive enough just to keep a boat shipshape. And how would people live there?

How so?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')olland's economy will collapse when the country is inundated by the North Sea. There won't be any economic context for floating Dutch cities.

That is why were are looking for a solution and possible start for construction before SHTF.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby NEOPO » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 04:24:25

Diaspora isnt so bad go ask the zionists :o
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 10:13:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'H')eineken,
I agree with you. The Dutch know this too. That's why they bought up the best land in West Cork in Ireland about 30 years ago.
Expat Dutch and Germans are very strong drivers of environmental awareness in Ireland such as it is.

Interesting, Madpaddy. I wonder if low-country investment in Ireland may have had something to do with Ireland's economic revival?
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 10:21:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AWPrime', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he costs of construction would be unmanageable, and maintenance would be a losing battle. It's expensive enough just to keep a boat shipshape. And how would people live there?

How so?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')olland's economy will collapse when the country is inundated by the North Sea. There won't be any economic context for floating Dutch cities.

That is why were are looking for a solution and possible start for construction before SHTF.

Look, I don't claim to be an expert in floating-city construction and maintenance. But I doubt if anyone else is either. My comments are based on common sense and observation. Most of these grandiose plans for salvation never make it. They're too impractical and too costly. Floating cities, even if built, would surely create as many problems for their "crewmen" as they solved.
It's far cheaper simply to move inland.

When the world's coastlines are inundated by the sea and over half the world's population is displaced, and PO has come and gone, can you imagine what economic and social and environmental conditions will be like?
How would floating cities get the extensive materials they need to function? How would they pay for them?
The idea is crazy on its face.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby AWPrime » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 15:13:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')ook, I don't claim to be an expert in floating-city construction and maintenance. But I doubt if anyone else is either. My comments are based on common sense and observation. Most of these grandiose plans for salvation never make it. They're too impractical and too costly. Floating cities, even if built, would surely create as many problems for their "crewmen" as they solved.

The basic construction is quite simple, so it isn't too grandiose.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's far cheaper simply to move inland.

The same can be said about polders. However we have no choice and the remaining land can't replace the land lost in the worst case scenario.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen the world's coastlines are inundated by the sea and over half the world's population is displaced, and PO has come and gone, can you imagine what will economic and social and environmental conditions be like?

That is why countries need to take action before that happens.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow would floating cities get the extensive materials they need to function? How would they pay for them?

materiaals with import and pay with selling products, a formula used by many resource poor countries.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 17:58:24

I'm sorry, AWPrime, but the most likely outcome of the coming huge rises in sea level, coinciding with post-Peak Oil disruptions in the world economy, is that Holland will largely cease to exist. To think that you can, in essence, "float" the country is hubris, if not madness.

The fact that this is even being considered is a sign of how hopeless the situation is. Hopelessness breeds desperation.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby AWPrime » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 19:32:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')'m sorry, AWPrime, but the most likely outcome of the coming huge rises in sea level, coinciding with post-Peak Oil disruptions in the world economy, is that Holland will largely cease to exist.

Consider it a Hoover dam.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')o think that you can, in essence, "float" the country is hubris, if not madness.

An entire country, no. But large industrial and residential parts, maybe.
In the worst case we will lose the west side of the country (most of the population and industry), the east side (most of the agriculture) should be fine. This can happen in several years.
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Re: Floating Cities

Unread postby Bill_White » Thu 25 Jan 2007, 01:39:08

The North Sea would be a bad place for a floating city. Big storms.

At the equator, storms would be less severe. As for food? Plenty of sunlight so enclose areas with floating fences and grow plankton to feed fish to supplement vegetables grown on the city itself.

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