[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')I can get some nice rural land for $500 an acre in Vermont...but I'll be all alone for 10 miles...

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')deally somewhere reasonably affordable (relatively), with decent public transport, farmer's markets, people who give a damn, not too much sprawl, etc. And since I've heard specificity breeds results, a Brazilian Ju Jitsu studio also (for self defense, health, another way to connect in the community, etc.).

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I')deally somewhere reasonably affordable (relatively), with decent public transport, farmer's markets, people who give a damn, not too much sprawl, etc. And since I've heard specificity breeds results, a Brazilian Ju Jitsu studio also (for self defense, health, another way to connect in the community, etc.).

[gg3]

The answer to "why no good cheap land" is the same as the answer to "why (any other of our modern ills)?":

Overpopulation and overconsumption.

You could of course play the odds, find a way to hole up where you are, and wait for the crash on the basis that the crash will drive down land prices. Very risky however. Either you win big or you die.

Land is more affordable when you go in with a group. Same old advice: find like-minded others and work together for common goals.

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Also note, beware of those "land auctions." Very often what you end up with can't be used: either it's terribly steep terrain, or it's locked in by other properties with no access, or it's in a flood zone, or is zoned such that you can't build on it.

Do your research. Carefully.

[Narz]

So where are you headed gg3, if you don't mind my asking?

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'S')o where are you headed gg3, if you don't mind my asking?

[max_power29]

For all those planning on moving to oregon: PLEASE! do not try to turn it into the place you are fleeing. Think about it. What would be the point of leaving the place you're running from? Swarms of people do this all the time and don't even realize it.

[gg3]

Narz, yes we have space on the crew, as it were:-) I'll write to you via Private Message on this board and send you my contact info.

We are open to people who don't have intensive skillsets yet, as long as they're open to learning and doing. Young is OK, we range from the early 20s to the early 70s and some of the folks have kids.

As I said we're headed for Northern CA, but the specifics of location are not being made public in order to minimize the risk of others using the results of our research to compete for parcels in which we are interested. You'll find out more as you get to know us. And you'll meet a bunch of folks who are committed to sustainable living & livelihood.

Pstarr, I agree, there will be lots of land cheap at some point. But I hope you had your tongue in your cheek about "community of outlaws." The last thing we need is any kind of breakdown of lawfullness. Consider the difference it makes if a) you can hitch up the horses and bring a load of produce to the farmer's market knowing that you're relatively safe and the sheriff's office is still functional, vs. b) having to deal with the risk of roadside bandits hijacking you along the way and the robbers sticking up the farmer's market after you arrive.

As for Oregon, consider that native Oregonians tend to resent the influx from California as much as the right-wingers in California resent the influx from Mexico. It's safer for Californians to move to Oregon than it is for gays & pagans to move to the Southeast, but either way, you don't want to move into a place where you are not welcome.

[MD]

You've left out western NY.

-plenty of fresh water
-Moderate density population
-Lots of lakes, relatively healthy
-Mostly wooded hills (clean watershed)
-fresh water galore

Did I mention fresh water?

Best of all the region has suffered economic decline for 15 years; bargains galore!

(now you all know where I am headed)

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'r')ight now a lot of northern california is either owned by large corporate redwood companies or is in national forests. Post peak there will be so much land available for the choosing. Temperature climate, hidden hollows, community of outlaws. Great place.

It's all about the timing and the positioning.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'Y')ou've left out western NY.

-plenty of fresh water
-Moderate density population
-Lots of lakes, relatively healthy
-Mostly wooded hills (clean watershed)
-fresh water galore

Did I mention fresh water?

Best of all the region has suffered economic decline for 15 years; bargains galore!

(now you all know where I am headed)

[vision-master]

Check out International Falls, MN. Cold but housing OR land is still cheap. dare I say Rainy River.

Most of the Minnesota lakes area & the North Shore is outside money now. The local population is poor. Money is from the outside.

Duluth, MN might be worth checking into? Jobs? Well, lot's of luck.

[Heineken]

Are you from MN, vision-master? If so, what's it like there?

My former boss moved to Bemidji, MN. Lotsa lakes.

[IanC]

Just a few points as a native Oregonian

* I'd rather have a lot of peak oil aware people here than the inevitable hordes of people from Phoenix and Las Vegas displaced by the coming dustbowl.

* Some things are worth paying for. Portland fits nearly every criteria of the original poster's message. It is the capital of bikes, farmer's markets, water, progressive thinking (usually!). My daughter trains in Indonesian Kung-fu, but I know there is a Brazillian Capoeiro (sp?) group here, too. We certainly have our problems, but at least you'll be surrounded by people who are more aware of PO than most.

* I don't mind Californians. It's usually the good ones that move here. There still seem to be enough of us natives to break them in. Unless of course you're on the freeways. Those are getting scary. Pay the extra money in rent to live in the central city and go by bike.

-IanC

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')re you from MN, vision-master? If so, what's it like there?

My former boss moved to Bemidji, MN. Lotsa lakes.

[one_more_day]

De-lurking to say: as much as PNW may be a paradise, I can't see planning a retreat to that area. Why? Because when people start leaving the west coast cities, they are much more likely to head North than East through the damn desert!

Hmmm...Arizona or Oregon, gosh it's just so hard to decide. I'll go out on a limb and say that PNW is going to be overrun with idiots, and given the large population of LA and similar centers, I'm guessing it is going to be a singularly large number of idiots.


Could very well be wrong about this. Just don't like the chances myself.

Here in Eastern Nebraska, I feel better knowing that most Americans can't even find the state on a map.