[NEOPO]

You may choose to disbelieve this but I have read almost all if not all of your posts Fatheroftwo.

In one word - Rationalization.
You seemed to pass denial very quickly and thats a good thing but it seems that you have been stuck in rationalization mode since.

Its okay really and you are definately not alone.
I thought you might want to know what I think after reading your posts even though many people do not care for my opinion
Not trying to insult you in any way so please do not take it like that.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
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Funny as a year ago Reserve growth ruled and there was no peak in sight......

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', '
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I see the problem now. Your snowplow crews are incompetent. I live in an area that gets those storms fairly often. The roads are plowed clean within hours, and its business as usual the next day.

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[zoidberg]

RGR: You never really addressed the most pertinent point that buying an old used 4wd vehicle would be much more energy efficient, because your not counting construction costs in your new vehicle purchase in your gas savings, which are not likely to be a great as the Ford brochure would make out(with what some people think are overrated mileage estimates).

Generally I am sympathetic to your arguments, but its hard to see the green behind consuming ever more natural resources when less expensive alternatives do exist. Especially if its utility is only for occasional snow storms.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'R')GR:
Generally I am sympathetic to your arguments, but its hard to see the green behind consuming ever more natural resources when less expensive alternatives do exist. Especially if its utility is only for occasional snow storms.

[zoidberg]

The point though is that you dont need the SUV 4wd capabilities for everyday use though - if your number 1 priority was to help save the earth you would'nt be provoking more production by buying new things, you'd use and repair/maintain old things as much as possible.



Did you have an old 4wd drive vehicle from before? Was it not working? If you didnt have it before why do you need an SUV now? Heck do you have friends/neighbours with such snow driving capabilities to help you out when your snowed in? You mentioned you have another truck(A Titan was it) with a really big engine and 4wd capability. How much transportation do you need?

I love SUV's myself. I like the way they look and I like driving them, so I'm certainly happy for you that you have a nice new vehicle to play with. I just dont think it warrants a post proclaiming how your saving the world by saving gasoline. Will it conserve more gas than a non-hybrid? Sure. Will it save enough to offset the cost of building another vehicle? I think so, but its a close call since a non plug in hybrid is obviously a stopgap measure awaiting a plug in diesel one, imho, so this gas friendly purchase, whose necessity is questionable, may be ill timed. If you end up buying another brand new vehicle in a few years with the appropriate feature set well then you've shot yourself in the foot. (feel free to say I told you so if this vehicle actually does stay in service long enough to make it worthwhile)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')And then I acted as the consumate American consumer and did what I wanted instead of what might be considered "best" under a particular scenario ( be it green, economic, consideration of recycling, whatever ).

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'T')he point though is that you dont need the SUV 4wd capabilities for everyday use though - if your number 1 priority was to help save the earth you would'nt be provoking more production by buying new things, you'd use and repair/maintain old things as much as possible.

[futuretrip]

So I am also convinced that I have to become negative in order to survive attacks on this board, last time i posted (year ago?), got dumped by suggesting largescale RE (our only hope unless you believe in the rapture). It should be obvious to just about anyone who isn't an idiot, that we will face a rather troublesome post oil crisis, infact, we (silly Americans) could be forcing WW3 by demanding large oil contracts from our invasion of weaker countries. What does the other super powers think of foreign (US)bases practicly right next door. This is a very recent thought (cause I'm a silly American who doesn't know noth'n) and will search it, meanwhile, don't bother with any of the "news". Perhaps the ragging is true because I have done some research on RE. Our government will do anything to not promote RE. They use radar blips as an excuse not to build wind farms, they say they promote "cheap" concentrating solar, hasn't happened yet (The raggers say "No dah"), but like the poster many ragged upon, I still feel like not giving up, afterall, life is given to us somehow for us to make better or worst. Now, I'm convinced that unless ALL AMERICANS invest in RE, Almost all Americans will fall into the dark age. and when america falls...


Oh, check this out...
http://www.republic-news.org/archive/15 ... in_oil.htm
Provincial and national policy should acknowledge and prepare for the growing risks of US take-over

This is WHY we are called silly americans, we don't realize while we're glued to the TV that our energy usage is troubling planetwide!

What can I do? simply type on this thing that is about 20 times more complicated than most RE (renewable energy) strategies. RE is LOW TECH, it is VERY FEASABLE given the american dollars (which may not be the best but is still good). Hell, I think everbody should (somehow) invest "just" 500 bucks a year X 100,000,000 households = 50 Billion (that's 50 giga-watts of wind capacity), Energy storage...no brainer... batteries, better yet super capacitors, been around almost a hundred years! OK, cut the capacity factor down to a quarter and include costs of E storage, What, a third? So now we have about 15 gig capacity, or roughly the same output as 15 coal powered plants. Over twenty years, along with (corporate?) other investments and re-investments from dividends (nope, we'd get ripped again, uh) We just might have enough energy to counter this PO thing IF we silly americans were to actually reduce our energy source, use windows for heat in day, wood at night, ect. Wheew

What can I do? noth'n cause I'm too busy trying to keep up with all the silly A laws, (insurance, ect) So I can't even afford to buy a smaller car... Managed to get the little 200 dualsport though, it's fun and saves alot of gas!

Oh, and the "stop grocery bags" silliness is BS (too trivial) along with "printed on recycle paper" (uses more energy). For those of you ragging this thread, and others who actually care enough to try to do something about this most important of ALL issues, go to hell

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('futuretrip', '
')What can I do? noth'n cause I'm too busy trying to keep up with all the silly A laws, (insurance, ect) So I can't even afford to buy a smaller car... Managed to get the little 200 dualsport though, it's fun and saves alot of gas!

[zoidberg]

RGR: As long as your aware of what your doing its all good. As for the lithium requirement around here, well I hope that never happens. Its not many places where not only can I get somewhat intelligent conversation about new energy sources, or new types of vehicles and of course oil depletion, but I can get my doomer fix of end of the world scenarios. Its the general level of craziness and zealotry around here that keeps me coming back.

And thats the other thing because I first learned about peak oil through the life after the oil crash site. I just about fell over while reading through there. A quick google search brought me here and here I've stuck. Because after reading through these forums about new ideas, and possibilities for scalability, I now know life definitely will change, but its not going to a change back to the early 1800's. And its certainly not going to change right after the peak either. So whenever I get nervous I read some of the 'if it doesnt completely replace oil in 2 months its doomed' posts and see how conservation, new battery technologies, advances in renewables and even messy demand destruction is always overlooked or minimized. Its good for defining the boundaries of the problem because if theres even a slight flaw to a new energy technology or conservation strategy, the good folks here are all over it because it verifies their belief we're all doomed. Or if its ignored I know its onto something. I cant recall a doomer saying, well now thats a good point if its not a doomerish point.

[Ludi]

Nah, futuretrip, you don't have to "become negative" I'm not negative, I'm a naive dreamer, and I'm still here. Yeah, people don't agree with me a lot of the time and I get called names, but, that's part of the messageboard experience.

Why give up? There's so much we can do!

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', 'R')GR: As long as your aware of what your doing its all good.

[Revi]

Whether you'll feel consequences from the peak depends on where you are. In Venezuela and Iran people are driving around on 35 cent a gallon gasoline. In other nearby countries people are barely scrounging enough kerosene to light a lamp or two. The peak is here, but that is just the crest of the wave. The depression started in 1929, but it didn't hit bottom until 1933 or so. We'll see things happening soon enough.

We're just basking in the warmth of what is left of the economy. Gas is back to $2. Happy days are here again!

I have a funny feeling that we're just in the calm before the storm.

[futuretrip]

Doomsday'ism is enough to keep me from succumbing to the false (everything is OK) attitude, we can overcome the negativity of the psycological premise of said doomsayism, if only we think there is a hope, or know that there is a positive solution for the billions, (myself, and children incuded). therefore, it provides a sirius motivational effort beyond yuppy status. We are indeed on the brink. (And I was on the brink last night because I watched "the alternative news" about the towers in NY). All I know is that we need at least a hundred fold increase in renewables or else reality will flounder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dgbLQPUjUU

Thanks,
P.S. "futuretrip" is an old "spacebuff" ID from younger years, Now, I realize that fireofenergy would be a more appropiate name for me.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('futuretrip', 'A')ll I know is that we need at least a hundred fold increase in renewables or else reality will flounder.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'T')he so-called 'First' world uses TOO MUCH energy right now to even do stupid, obvious things like grow and cook a meal - that's the core problem.