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The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Rambo » Fri 05 Jan 2007, 22:56:09

First off this is what I really think.

First 9/11 was an inside job in order to invade the oil rich middle east as we prepare to enter a post peak oil world.

Second the rich elite already have a solution a mass world population kill off.

Some of you wonder why peak oil if so important seems to be almost invisible and why nobody is talking about a solution?

The problem has been assessed behind closed doors a long time ago and the solution does not involve us.

The people running things in the world from behind the scenes have to take this at a pace we will accept.

Iraq is exactly on target as a huge success to these people.

The civil war was planned it’s the perfect cover to kill a huge part of the country’s population.

The oil has been secured and capped for future use.

A media circus has been played out to keeps our minds occupied.

Iran is next however I think it may be 3 or 4 years away.

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Why we have to be careful anybody can and does join this board and other boards like it.
Plants are sent here to post racist or silly half truths mixed with lies in posts intended to muddle us up.
This is done to take away the credibility of the forum and its members.

I think the idea of going into Iran very soon is been leaked form the very top and spread onto sites like this one.
When the invasion does not happen we will lose face and many members may leave and lose interest and stop spreading the word.

Some plants may appear to support terror or kiddie porn ect across the net.
They get these people to post on your board the perfect excuse to close the site down or drive away decent people.

In 3 or 4 years when we have been successfully debunked and people minds are fixed on whatever propaganda is being fed to them then we will see the invasion of Iran.

The rice elite are not in a panic about peak oil they have plenty of time, killing off 80% of the worlds population is not something one can rush.

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Many of us feel we have an important message to spread we should stay of topic and expose these plants for what they are.
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 05 Jan 2007, 23:46:11

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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby TITAN » Fri 05 Jan 2007, 23:57:28

I doubt there are any 'plants' on this board. The membership doesn't even break 15,000, Not a significant number to do any harm to the regime in D.C.

I do believe there are alot of folks on here that let their imaginations run wild.

I also believe there are a few nutjobs like: specop, that people just get wrapped up in countering anything crazies like that say...

I am almost in complete agreement with all your other viewpoints though...Except on Iran. We are either not going to do anything, militarily, or we are sooner than 3 years...More like 10 months...

I just realized that my statements are partially incorrect, grammatically...But I don't feel like restating...
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby oil4u » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 00:00:36

Sorry, I just don't quite get your post. 9/11 was definitely not an inside job. Islamomaniacs have been trying to kill westerners for hundreds of years. Nothing new there. Check out Thomas Jefferson's dealings with muslim pirates. Unfortunately these extremely nutty fanatics also sit on the world's largest oil reserves which gives them a lot of control over us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 00:47:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oil4u', 'S')orry, I just don't quite get your post. 9/11 was definitely not an inside job. Islamomaniacs have been trying to kill westerners for hundreds of years. Nothing new there. Check out Thomas Jefferson's dealings with muslim pirates. Unfortunately these extremely nutty fanatics also sit on the world's largest oil reserves which gives them a lot of control over us.

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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Aaron » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 07:19:31

The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.

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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Revi » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 11:24:57

I wouldn't worry. We are just a few people ranting about what is probably reality. Reality doesn't intrude into most people's lives at all. Most people are worried about who is going to win American Idol or the Superbowl. They aren't thinking about some grand plan the "elite" have for them. The dieoff will happen quietly, like New Orleans. What has happened to all those people? They will become refugees who quietly dissapear from our collective conciousness. Like the Okies in the dustbowl thirties. Soon there will be environmental refugees scattered around the country. Some will be reabsorbed into the "service economy", but most will just wander around and end up in the prison system if they're lucky. The media will go on telling us that everything is fine.

The Iraq gambit may not work out. There are other countries that want that stuff too. The elites in those countries are probably arming proxy armies to fight us and our proxy army. There is all sorts of currency intrigue happening backstage too. We won't end up with a firm hold on the world's last remaining big pot of oil. We may even end up with less oil than we had when we started this fiasco. If we had known what we were getting into, we might have left the oil in the hands of the UN.

It's an interesting time to be alive. Peak oil is like the key to understanding what's going on. We can't control anything, so just sit back and enjoy the show. It's getting more and more interesting. I think Peak Oil gives us much more insight into what's really going on than the average person. That's incredibly valuable, if just for peace of mind. I don't think we pose any threat to the powers that be. Nobody believes me when I talk about peak oil anyway.
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 17:47:29

No, there aren't any real dangers on a forum like this; all political/ideological forums are "like this" and there are tons of them. Nobody cares. Enjoy your right to free speech. :)
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby MD » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 17:56:48

"Bush is a blithering idiot, I tell you! Anyone who voted for him should be shot and hung--excuse me while I get the door...."
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby eric_b » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 21:53:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rambo', '
')Why we have to be careful anybody can and does join this board and other boards like it.
Plants are sent here to post racist or silly half truths mixed with lies in posts intended to muddle us up.
This is done to take away the credibility of the forum and its members.



I'm certain popular discussion forums and blogs have many shills and plants. All this talk in the military about 'full spectrum dominance' - including the internet apparently - means they're out there. If you can't win an argument gracefully there's always the option of muddying the waters to the point most people give up.

Even more disturbing these days are what I call 'bots' or AIs. These programs can often fake a decent coversation, and can be used to respond to certain issues.

Nothing new here. Consider 'Eliza' - an old program (from at least the 80's) it can reasonably fake talking to a Freudian shrink. A web version can be found here:
http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html

A similar program known as 'Lady Chatterly' is sometimes unleashed upon people in usenet (google) groups. Many people don't realize it's a bot (at least at first) and actually have conversations with the thing.

I'm certain there are much more sophisticated bots these days that can hold their own quite well, and probably only occasionally require human intervention. This opens the doors to automated blog and forum spamming and/or control. I recently came across these comments in one of Kunstlers's blogs:

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The NetVocates Solution

NetVocates delivers a customized combination of monitoring, analysis and action to maximize the positive effect of the blogosphere for the client. The result for NetVocates clients is the ability to gain virtually instantaneous expertise in the area of blogs.

Monitor. The process begins with the account manager working with the client to determine relevant topics to monitor (e.g. key messages, brands, and opponents). Then proprietary technology is paired with personal research to effectively monitor more than 38 million blogs.

Analyze. A team of blog intelligence experts analyze content, tone and relative importance of the coverage, collecting and presenting the data in meaningful ways. This process distills blog chatter into actionable intelligence in a weekly report.

Act. Careful research and client consultation create a messaging strategy tailored to maximize the positive effect of key trends and events. NetVocates then conducts direct and transparent outreach to bloggers in order to reinforce key messages on targeted blogs – and help rebut misinformation when appropriate.



The last bit should read 'and help reinforce misinformation when appropriate'

Curiously the netvocates.com site is down. So it would not hard to precipitate flame wars and whatnot using this technique. It also shows most conversations are so vacuous it's easy to write a computer program to fake them.
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 22:27:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')Nothing new here. Consider 'Eliza' - an old program (from at least the 80's) it can reasonably fake talking to a Freudian shrink. A web version can be found here:
http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html

I asked Eliza if it was a bot. It asked back, "would you prefer I weren't a bot?" I answered "Yes" It asked "Are you sure?" I said "yes" and it ended the line of discussion with silence. Very accommodating bot.
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby eric_b » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 23:32:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')Nothing new here. Consider 'Eliza' - an old program (from at least the 80's) it can reasonably fake talking to a Freudian shrink. A web version can be found here:
http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html

I asked Eliza if it was a bot. It asked back, "would you prefer I weren't a bot?" I answered "Yes" It asked "Are you sure?" I said "yes" and it ended the line of discussion with silence. Very accommodating bot.


lol. Yeah. unfortunately I was unable to find an interactive troll-bot.

Be an interesting programming project to create a troll.
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 23:34:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')Nothing new here. Consider 'Eliza' - an old program (from at least the 80's) it can reasonably fake talking to a Freudian shrink. A web version can be found here:
http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html

I asked Eliza if it was a bot. It asked back, "would you prefer I weren't a bot?" I answered "Yes" It asked "Are you sure?" I said "yes" and it ended the line of discussion with silence. Very accommodating bot.


lol. Yeah. unfortunately I was unable to find an interactive troll-bot.

Be an interesting programming project to create a troll.



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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 06 Jan 2007, 23:49:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '
')Nothing new here. Consider 'Eliza' - an old program (from at least the 80's) it can reasonably fake talking to a Freudian shrink. A web version can be found here:
http://www-ai.ijs.si/eliza/eliza.html

I asked Eliza if it was a bot. It asked back, "would you prefer I weren't a bot?" I answered "Yes" It asked "Are you sure?" I said "yes" and it ended the line of discussion with silence. Very accommodating bot.


lol. Yeah. unfortunately I was unable to find an interactive troll-bot.

Be an interesting programming project to create a troll.



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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Aaron » Sun 07 Jan 2007, 07:20:24

[web]http://www.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=cc90bc313e35043f[/web]
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Tue 09 Jan 2007, 02:44:33

I'm having a flashback to my adolescent Commodore 64 days...

Anyway, Revi has a point. Although the show we're kicking back and watching may ultimately be as pointless as American Idol, it certainly can be entertaining when you understand why certain things happen. I think that while we are almost certainly being monitored, we are not likely to warrant any kind of action, as 90% of the population simply refuses to accept reality anyway.

What I'd love to see is some good old fashioned video pirating, where some hackers take over the major cable feeds and start playing End of Suburbia, Loose Change, etc... very hard to do on a large scale from outside with today's distribution network, but it would be fun if some disgruntled CNN engineer were to get rebellious...
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Re: The dangers on a forum like this

Unread postby Doly » Tue 09 Jan 2007, 05:44:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeasonOfPain', '
')What I'd love to see is some good old fashioned video pirating, where some hackers take over the major cable feeds and start playing End of Suburbia, Loose Change, etc... very hard to do on a large scale from outside with today's distribution network, but it would be fun if some disgruntled CNN engineer were to get rebellious...


Hey, it doesn't have to be a hack. It would be easier to convince somebody at the top of CNN that it's a good story.
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