I stared up at the moon last night and wondered why my calendar is so completely wrong. I knew the moon cycle was 28 days. 28 x 13=364. Hey look the number 13. Why would someone create a calendar that has 12 months with each month ranging from 28 to 31 days not to mention the oddity we call leap year. So, I decided to poke around.
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It seems the Gregorian replaced Julius' calendar because the holiday of easter was sliding from it's season. So, this begs the question, why not use the moon? The moon is in synchronous rotation, is it not? Is this HIStory?
Introduced year 1582 by the church proxy, of course.
Has all the telltale signs of conspiracy(months) jfMAmjjaSONd.
The question is why? The moon is our cycle, why would they distort this and for what benefit?
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Re: Gregorian Calendar
by katkinkate » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 00:45:59
The gregorian calendar is tied to the solar year not the lunar months. The name 'month' got kept because it was convenient and everyone was used to it. An average lunar month (eg. full moon to full moon) is 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, 2.8 seconds) according to Wikipedia.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar
by greenworm » Sun 31 Dec 2006, 15:14:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he gregorian calendar is tied to the solar year not the lunar months.
But why is the question?
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Re: Gregorian Calendar
by katkinkate » Sun 31 Dec 2006, 20:26:53
I think the previous calender was based on the moon. That's why it needed regular adjustment to bring it back into alignment with the solar year.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar
by americandream » Sun 31 Dec 2006, 21:15:42
So what might the conspiracy be in adopting one method of definining the passage of time as opposed to another?
Other than the simple fact that one set of corrupt demagogues imposed a preferred system of calculation rather than some other with the resulting power issues, I can't see any advantage in wrangling over the particulars of a time regulating mechanism in terms of a liberation struggle other than perhaps the residue of theocratic terminology that will no doubt prevail in retaining the existing system. Don't the muslims use another culture-centric method of calculation?
Other than the simple fact that one set of corrupt demagogues imposed a preferred system of calculation rather than some other with the resulting power issues, I can't see any advantage in wrangling over the particulars of a time regulating mechanism in terms of a liberation struggle other than perhaps the residue of theocratic terminology that will no doubt prevail in retaining the existing system. Don't the muslims use another culture-centric method of calculation?
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Re: Gregorian Calendar
by greenworm » Sun 31 Dec 2006, 21:20:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think the previous calender was based on the moon. That's why it needed regular adjustment to bring it back into alignment with the solar year.
Actually, according to my calculations this is not true, they were using the wrong time 12:60, but using the correct measure.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o what might the conspiracy be in adopting one method of definining the passage of time as opposed to another?
This is what I am wondering.
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Re: Gregorian Calendar
by Tanada » Sun 31 Dec 2006, 21:46:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', 'I') stared up at the moon last night and wondered why my calendar is so completely wrong. I knew the moon cycle was 28 days. 28 x 13=364. Hey look the number 13. Why would someone create a calendar that has 12 months with each month ranging from 28 to 31 days not to mention the oddity we call leap year. So, I decided to poke around.
calendar
It seems the Gregorian replaced Julius' calendar because the holiday of easter was sliding from it's season. So, this begs the question, why not use the moon? The moon is in synchronous rotation, is it not? Is this HIStory?
Introduced year 1582 by the church proxy, of course.
Has all the telltale signs of conspiracy(months) jfMAmjjaSONd.
The question is why? The moon is our cycle, why would they distort this and for what benefit?
calendar
It seems the Gregorian replaced Julius' calendar because the holiday of easter was sliding from it's season. So, this begs the question, why not use the moon? The moon is in synchronous rotation, is it not? Is this HIStory?
Introduced year 1582 by the church proxy, of course.
Has all the telltale signs of conspiracy(months) jfMAmjjaSONd.
The question is why? The moon is our cycle, why would they distort this and for what benefit?
But a true lunar month isn't 28 days, it is 29 and a half because as the Moon orbits the Earth the Earth orbits the Sun (Sol) Consequently using 13 28 day months would still cause the full moon to wander around the calander month slowly falling three days further forward every two months. Say you set the full moon as the first of the month. 4 weeks 1.5 days later the moon is full again, on the third of month 2, then it slips again to the fourth of month 3, the 6th of month 4, the 7th of month 5, the 9th of month 6, the 10th of month 7, the 12th of month 8, the 13th of month 9, the 15th of month 10, the 16th of month 11, the 18th of month 12. By the time you get to month 13 the full moon is on 19th day of the month, not the first. That means when you start your second lunar year calander you are already out of phase with the full moon on the 22nd of the first month.
Now if you want a lunar calander you have to alternate months of 29 and 30 days. (6*29=174)+(6*30=180)=354. To get the other 11 days of the solar year the Romans added a day to all the months except February, then they took one day from February and put it on July and renamed it July after Julius Ceaser. Not to be outdone Augustus repeated the swap from February to August and renamed that month after himself as well giving both July and August 31 days.
Then Pope Gregory came along, saw there was a problem and decreed 10 days be dropped from the year and that leap year rules be instituted. Why he picked 10 days instead of a week is debateable, if he had pulled out 7 days winter Soltice would be Christmas or Christmas Eve depending on leap year or not. Perhaps he felt that would be too pagan or some such.
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