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Re: laid off

Unread postby midnight-gamer » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 14:03:29

More about myself. I am still pretty young and in good physical shape. The job I had involved operating a forklift and stocking shelves. It was not a career path for me, however I felt trapped. My wife is in the u.s. on a green card. Her card holder status has been reviewed several times over the past few years. To keep her here we are expected to have a steady income or else risk deportation. I was by no means happy with the job I had but I thought it best to stay there until her situation becones more stable. We have very recently filed a extension for her card. Hopefully she will get 10 years on it, provided immigration is satisfied with our case. Btw,she is not yet eligable to become a citizen for one more year (if that is even something she wants). I would have liked to have looked for different work years ago but i felt job hopping might have endangered her application if a new job did not work out. We have been working with the government for 4 years now on various paper work nightmares. We have no kids and few bills. Also we have worked hard on building a savings account. I have filed for unemployment, and expect interm insurance info to arrive in the mail soon. I guess we could also move but that will take some thinking first.
Also, a few weeks ago my father was diagnosed with congestive heart failure. My parents could not afford health insurance for him prior to this($500 a week) althought we had no inication he was so ill. He was deep in debt before this and the triple bypass he just had won't help. Funny thing is, I told my wife we should start paying the $500 for him the very day he was diagnosed (I did not even know he was at the doctores that day). Too little too late I guess.
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Re: laid off

Unread postby seahorse2 » Thu 16 Mar 2006, 15:35:44

First, don't pay for your dad's medical bills, at least not yet. If your dad is old enough, and drawing Social Security Disability, he is also on Medicare and thus his medical bills will be covered by Medicare.

Your post makes me assume your dad is not eligible, age wise, for Social Security/Medicare. So, he needs to apply for Social Security Disability and Medicaid at the same time. If he is successful with his SSD, he will automtically be eligible for Medicaid, but apply for both now anyway. Many lawyers will do this and its all on a contingent fee basis set by Federal statute.

Based on the fact that you are young and don't have any kids, this being laid off is an opportunity to pick a career field now. If you aren't interested in the police/fire/nursing/private security, then consider the military, coast guard, if your main goal is to get immediate steady employment to held you out with your marital situation.
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Re: laid off

Unread postby larrydallas » Fri 17 Mar 2006, 19:03:59

First of all I think you should tell your wife to be supportive rather than tear you down. I'm not married but I had a similar experience when I was applying for jobs as a student. I was at the time with someone who was not very supportive of me and it just impacted how I functioned and I had trouble landing even a part time job.

How things are at home determine in a great deal what things will be like away from home. Your family has got to support you no matter what. When you have that you feel like you can do anything and you make positive things occur. Just think about it as if you were the employer and you had 2 equally qualified applicants. One guy is having his wife call him a loser at home and comes in all gloomy with a long face while the other is having a positive energy at home and comes in with a "I am a lion" attitude.

Once she supports you I know you can find the job that you want to have.

I had a very similar thing occur to me in college. I worked for a company for about 3.5 years and I was working about 30 hours a week for $9 per hour. I mainly did it to pay my tuition, bills, and not have to ask my parents for money. I managed to graduate without owing a penny to anyone since I took no loans.

What I really regret is how much I missed out on the college experience of meeting people and going to events, parties, and such. I usually went to work after classes and on the weekends. I kind of look back and think maybe I would have been better off not working so much then. I know for sure that I would never allow any kids I have in the future to work during the semester. Anyway, I was there 3.5 years and did the same job without benefits and without any significant raises in pay. I got laid off and I was crushed at first but it was a blessing for me because in the long term I look back and think I might have stayed stuck there for who knows how long.

If the place you work does not grow and offer you growth potential you should look elsewhere.

Good luck with your search.
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So I was laid off today....

Unread postby Loki » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 00:01:31

Today was my last day at work after five years. Happy fucking holidays, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Several of us long-term employees were axed, many of us (including myself) with zero severance. At least now I have a taste of what the post-peak depression will be like.

I work(ed) at a non-profit that has been undergoing a slow implosion for the last two years. Lost state funding and private funders haven't stepped up. More importantly, the management has royally mismanaged funds in vanity projects that have resulted in nothing but red ink while award-winning public-service projects like the one I worked on get the axe.

Anyone know of someone hiring a historical geographer in the Pacific Northwest? Will work for food.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby seahorse » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 00:05:54

Sorry to hear this Loki
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby PolestaR » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 00:08:02

Saddam was just killed and you think losing your job somehow is important... brav-fucking-o.

:lol: Just kidding man.

I didn't even know a historical geographer got jobs.. a bit like philosophers. Why did you choose that line of work?
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby Loki » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 00:21:42

Thanks Seahorse. Some pity is better than none (which is about what I got at work, aside for the security guard, who was more broke up about my layoff than anyone else, including myself).

Polestar, yes, we historians/historical geographers do get work on occasion. But rarely, which is why I'm a bit bummed about losing my gig. I did think about the Saddam thing, though. At least I'm not that asshole :lol:.

As for why I chose this line of work, I did the stupid thing and followed my passion, which happens to be history. It's served me OK for the last few years. Knowing what I know now I would have gone into horticulture or engineering or chemistry or carpentry, but oh well, can't turn back the clock. My main skill is historical researching/writing, so that's what I have to work with.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby katkinkate » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 01:23:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'A')s for why I chose this line of work, I did the stupid thing and followed my passion, which happens to be history.


Following your passion isn't stupid. I bet they were very good years. Years to look back on with contentment.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'M')y main skill is historical researching/writing, so that's what I have to work with.


Can you use the research/writing skills in other jobs. Maybe not restricted to history. Newspaper/magazine journalism? Set up an interesting website with something original to contribute and make money selling stuff there? Librarian or research assistant?

I'm sorry you're unemployed. I've been there a few times and know how frustrating it can be. I wish you luck getting another job.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby smiley » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 10:19:54

Sorry to hear that Loki,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ollowing your passion isn't stupid. I bet they were very good years. Years to look back on with contentment.


I once had a dream to be a researcher. That worked out very well until our department at the university got scrapped (a combination of poor management and a research field which grew out of fashion).

I have been unemployed for a while trying to get back in to research. That gives you a lot of time to think. I finally decided to give up on research and to follow the money (the way of least resistance).

So I took up a contract research job. I'm now basically prostituting my knowledge and skills to the highest bidder. I'm not doing the fundamental work that I envisioned myself of doing, but practical applied work. I help companies to develop new products and to solve problems with existing products. I even do quite a bit of work for the military, an area I have always shunned out of principal reasons.

Yet I am extremely happy that I made that decision. Although this isn't the kind of research I wanted to do, I find the work very rewarding and challenging.

And money is certainly also an important factor in that. I always had great respect for people who pursued their dreams against the odds and for a minimal salary. However I have realized that when it comes to the point where for instance your kids can't go to a good school, because "daddy is pursuing his passion", it is not heroic, it is selfish and stupid.

The reason I'm telling you this is that having a passion is good, but you shouldn't have that passion blind you. If compromising on your passion means that you can improve other elements of your life, such as for instance job security, income, or otherwise, you would be foolish not to consider.

And remember: Once you sell your soul the rest is easy. :-)

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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 10:49:59

Okay, I feel bad you lost your job... But seriously what on Earth does a historical geographer actually do?
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby dogf » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 12:13:54

Well that sucks.

Now it is time to listen to a few say maybe this is a good thing? Time to make that change?
Either way your stomach will be in knots for a while. So maybe take this as the opportunity to start the bug out process?
Kids or wife?
Kids can change schools. Wife can change jobs.

So in other words sorry :) But maybe this can turn into a good thing?
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 12:16:23

The guy is a historical geographer (what ever the hell that is) this guy is fucking screwed and will be lucky if his family doesn't die of starvation before summer. No offense man, but seriously.. you are screwed
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 12:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'A')s for why I chose this line of work, I did the stupid thing and followed my passion, which happens to be history. It's served me OK for the last few years. Knowing what I know now I would have gone into horticulture or engineering or chemistry or carpentry, but oh well, can't turn back the clock. My main skill is historical researching/writing, so that's what I have to work with.

Have you considered doing historical research and writing on an area like engineering, chemistry, or carpentry? How about research on all three, shelter/home construction?

In the same manner as your skills were valuable (for a while) to your previous employer, your skills are still valuable to others, but you'll need to be creative and flexible about the type of work you do, and how you accept payment for it.

Getting laid off sucks, but this is not yet the worst of what approaches. You'll get through this, and the next time the system begins to crumble, this experience will serve you well.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby Loki » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 13:05:04

Thanks for the sentiments folks. I'm sober now, so I feel a little better (aside from the vodka hangover, of course).

Dogf, I think you're right. I see this as my opportunity to finish my dissertation, which has been in limbo for the last few months. My opportunities will open up once I finish my doctorate, which can now be in a few months if I keep my nose to the grindstone. Whether I stay in the field after I finish is still up in the air. I can go into teaching, GIS, contract research, public history, cultural resource mgt, editing, or I can learn a new trade. We'll see what happens. My ideal is to have a bit of land where I can do market gardening (and more importantly, be able to grow my own food) and to do just enough paid work to cover the bills and to save a bit of cash.

Smiley, contract research sort of appeals to me, mostly because I can be my own boss, but I'm a slave-driving asshole, so I'm not so sure I want to work for me. Seriously, though, I have friends who do the contract thing---a lot of it involves hustling for jobs, and the research itself is not that thrilling (company histories and the like). If the pay was really good, I'd do it, but the pay for contract historians is not that great. I think there are easier ways to make better money.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'T')he guy is a historical geographer (what ever the hell that is) this guy is fucking screwed and will be lucky if his family doesn't die of starvation before summer. No offense man, but seriously.. you are screwed

Um, OK. I doubt my family will starve to death---no kids, no wife, and my extended family all have jobs and can take care of themselves. And yes, believe it or not, historians/historical geographers can actually get paid work. What do you think I've been doing since 1998?
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby Loki » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 13:21:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', 'H')ave you considered doing historical research and writing on an area like engineering, chemistry, or carpentry? How about research on all three, shelter/home construction?

Sort of. I'm thinking that if I get an academic job (or even if I don't), I'd like to shift my research focus to historical uses of plants (gardening/farming, ethnobotany, herbalism). I'm also interested in learning more about the other skills 19th-century settlers had, including carpentry and the like. The goal would be to not only read about these things, but to do hands-on experiments, whether for my own pleasure or as part of my academic work.

This next year, for example, I plan on experimenting with some Native gardening techniques, specifically growing the Three Sisters. Found an excellent description of how the Hidatsa did it, and I'm going to try to follow that as closely as possible using heirloom varieties.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 13:26:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cynicalheretic', 'T')he guy is a historical geographer (what ever the hell that is) this guy is fucking screwed and will be lucky if his family doesn't die of starvation before summer. No offense man, but seriously.. you are screwed


That is a very rude and unnecessary thing to say.

You should be more polite to people.

I encourage you to set higher standards for yourself.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby davep » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 13:33:01

I was under the impression cynicalheretic wasn't being entirely serious.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 14:19:31

uhm well that would be correct. But I still don't know what the crap a historical watchamacallit does.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby lateStarter » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 15:42:24

If you can afford it, don't be in a hurry to get another job. Use this time to think about where you are, what you are doing, and what you would like to be doing. View it as a good opportunity to find out what you really need to get by. Sometimes we find ourselves forced into a situation that is actualy good for us.
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Re: So I was laid off today....

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Sat 30 Dec 2006, 16:51:02

I do need to hire a(n) historian to document my life in a very factitious manner so that I can have a better shot when I run for the presidency in 2016. How much do you charge?
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