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Even better question. What to do with all the tapped fields?

Unread postby bentstrider » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 17:25:52

If abiotic theory is plain bullshit, then we got to make use for all those abandoned and dried up oil wells.
I heard in the news recently that some big oil guy was actually concerned about the environment.
He actually suggested finding a way to pump exhausts from factories and vehicles into tapped wells.
I could see this as a possibility, but what else could we use empty fields and wells for?
One thing that came across my mind was subsurface agriculture.
Another would be subsurface, multi-housing.
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Unread postby Trab » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 18:20:34

Err... seal the top and walk away?

Somehow I would think that forcing emissions underground would be a bad idea that would come back to bite future generations.
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Unread postby gnm » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 18:34:12

Yeah we wouldn't want anything nasty like crude oil or hydrogen sulfide or uranium locked underground.....

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Re: Even better question. What to do with all the tapped fie

Unread postby clv101 » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 18:44:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bentstrider', 'I')f abiotic theory is plain bullshit, then we got to make use for all those abandoned and dried up oil wells.

Why do you feel we have to do something with them? I'm all for walking away.

However, there is a chance of burning coal cleanly and sequestering the carbon by pumping it underground. Personally I don't like this idea since I think it'll inevitably escape. In fact I have more faith in long term nuclear waste storage than carbon storage (though it's also doomed to failour). At least people take nuclear storage seriously, can't imagine anyone will care nearly as much about the integrity of sequestered carbon.
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Re: Even better question. What to do with all the tapped fie

Unread postby rerere » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 19:29:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bentstrider', 'I')f abiotic theory is plain bullshit, then we got to make use for all those abandoned and dried up oil wells.


There is a difference between 'dried up' VS the more accurate 'not economical today'. Having a small 'only a few barrels' or even gallons a day could mean with, say a stirling cycle engine - you can have lottsa heat and power for a few people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bentstrider', '
')I heard in the news recently that some big oil guy was actually concerned about the environment.
He actually suggested finding a way to pump exhausts from factories and vehicles into tapped wells..


It is a poor idea - the amount of energy needed to extract and convert the CO2 isn't worth it.

I do not know the energy difference needed to to take CO2 and make it a C cross-linked 4 ways, but taking CO2 and making diamonds is a BETTER idea, if one is living in a world where energy exists to extract CO2 from the air to attempt to shove it in the ground. Because that CO2 can always leave as CO2 at some later date. Making a diamond means the Carbon extracted is in a far more stable form.

Just saying.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 20:23:07

They are not big holes underground, they're permeable sandstones mostly. Used to work in that field
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Unread postby bentstrider » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 21:19:28

Walk away from them, eh.
Well, if they are permeable sponge rock, then good for you.
But, I say another good use would be underground prisons.
Especially for all those that use and abuse like it's going out of style.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 10 Dec 2004, 00:25:11

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Unread postby Geology_Guy » Fri 10 Dec 2004, 01:32:04

Old oil fields are composed of narrow drill holes just inches wide and several thousand feet deep. They are drilled into permiable sandstones and limestones.

They are full of salt water and toxic gases and leftover drilling waste. Nothing except for bacteria can live in an old oil well. Also after several decades the casing starts to rust and collapse and the well caves in. It would take lots of energy (oil!) to keep old dry oil wells in good shape!
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Unread postby Grasshopper » Fri 10 Dec 2004, 04:15:17

Yes, the abiotic story on the www is just BS.
Old wells that are no longer economical to produce from are abandoned, and the surface site is reclaimed (at least in Canada, presumably in other countries, too).
As the geology guy says, the wells are too small for agriculture or housing, how someone can imagine that, is beyond me, maybe you are spoofing us, though some old mines have been used in that manner.

Here is a link to the current situation in CO2 sequestration, and a description of how it is concentrated in power station exhaust systems, so that it can be collected for underground disposal. They are monitoring to see what happens to the CO2, but remember that these reservoirs are capable of holding natural gas and oil already, so if the wells are abandoned properly, they will contain the CO2 for geological time periods (thousands or millions of years).

Current CO2 Capture and Storage Activities in Canada
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