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WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby rogerhb » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 18:52:02

A Hunt for Energy Hogs

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WSJ', 'A') Columnist Looks to Cut His Electric Bill And Finds Gadgets Aren't the Best Targets


It's the traditionall stuff, whiteware, heating and lights, interestingly he points the finger at bigger houses...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WSJ', 'A')fter running my experiment, I feel confident pronouncing that gadgets don't deserve the real blame for our nation's mounting electric use. Rather, how about the fact that our houses are getting bigger and bigger: According to the National Association of Home Builders, the average size of a new home now tops 2,400 square feet, up from 1,645 square feet in 1975. The impulse to blame our gadgets for higher energy bills is a testament to our ambivalence of how they've transformed our lives -- an outlet, if you will, for the unease we sometimes feel at how thoroughly things have changed.
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby EnergyHog » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 20:55:49

I'm right here! I got precision German bearings installed in my electric meter. :-D
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby Johnston » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 22:53:16

I heard something really disturbing the other day. Apparently, there is an epidemic of the people living in the big McMansions of western Sydney switching their air-conditioners on before they leave for work in the morning, so that they have a nice cool house waiting for them when they get home.

That's leaving the a/c on for 10+ hours, often in 38ºC heat (100ºF). Sheer insanity, just think of the energy bills.
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby gg3 » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 08:06:58

Eventually those McMansions will be turned into multi-family apartment houses, as the ostentatious Victorians of San Francisco in the 1800s have become today. And since they weren't designed for the purpose, they will make downright shitty apartments, to be inhabited by another generation of the relatively-poor.

As for Australian air conditioning madness, that could be stopped by simply passing a law and enforcing it with the aid of remote thermal imaging. Cold house with no warm bodies in it: fine 'em $100 per day. The obvious solution for individuals being to put timers on their AC so at least it only turns on 1/2 hour before they get home.

The degree to which people will cling to their lead weights of stubborn stupidity as they ride the whirlpool down the drain at the botton of the toilet, never fails to amaze me.

Though, I suppose it's a rather more hopeful sign to see the WSJ starting to raise the question, "when is enough, enough?"
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby TommyJefferson » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 09:27:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'A')s for Australian air conditioning madness, that could be stopped by simply passing a law and enforcing it with the aid of remote thermal imaging.


Why are you always so quick to advocate violence against people?
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby Jack » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 09:46:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'A')s for Australian air conditioning madness, that could be stopped by simply passing a law and enforcing it with the aid of remote thermal imaging. Cold house with no warm bodies in it: fine 'em $100 per day.


Get a large, short haired dog and give it the run of the house. Problem solved. 8)

On a more serious note: Jevon's paradox.
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby WisJim » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 10:21:06

Back to the article in the WSJ, I find it interesting that he didn't bother actually checking power consumption of his refrigerator, but rather went to a generic chart! Refrigerators have gotten much more efficient in recent years, and I am regularly surprised at how much power a 10 or even 5 year old model uses compared to a new one--but you don't really know without actually measuring!!
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby aahala » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 12:13:53

One device the author needed but didn't have, was a mirror.
To spend $6/mon for electricty for a PC in your bedroom, what the
hell is he doing in there? Or a better question, what isn't he
doing in there?

Then he estimated $30 for lighting. That works out to 6 KWH
per day! And that means 100 hours of 60 watt bulbs per day.

So what's he doing? Ten lights for ten hours a day, or is he
keeping the parking lot lit?
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby onecvj » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 19:58:26

He cited a potential $85 savings for a CFL vs. traditional bulbs. I've always read $30-40 savings. Does the heat from the bulbs really account for up to $50 savings in air conditioning? And wouldn't that more or less be offset by heating cost savings in the winter? Does anyone have any data on this?
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby Johnston » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 21:44:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he degree to which people will cling to their lead weights of stubborn stupidity as they ride the whirlpool down the drain at the bottom of the toilet, never fails to amaze me.


lol, well said... and I wonder how long they will hang onto the SUV after TSHTF?

Something else which is disturbing - the McMansion dwellers now aspire to plasma screen tv ownership, and they use four times the electricity of regular tv's.

I think these people are in need of a "price signal" rather than regulation.
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby HamRadioRocks » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 22:46:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'I') heard something really disturbing the other day. Apparently, there is an epidemic of the people living in the big McMansions of western Sydney switching their air-conditioners on before they leave for work in the morning, so that they have a nice cool house waiting for them when they get home.

That's leaving the a/c on for 10+ hours, often in 38ºC heat (100ºF). Sheer insanity, just think of the energy bills.


Why can't people use a programmable thermostat? Let the house heat up to 85-90 degrees for the first several hours, THEN lower the temperature in the last hour or two before anyone gets home.

By the way, I leave my air conditioning on in summer during the day while I'm away at work. It's a window unit, so it's not programmable. In my defense, I set the thermostat to 3.5 out of 7, which equates to about 79 degrees. Also, when I go out of town, I either turn the unit off or turn the thermostat way up (to about 2 out of 7 on the dial, which equates to the middle 80s or so). It takes a few hours for the house to cool down if I don't have the air conditioning on during a hot day, so shutting off the air conditioning on a hot summer day isn't really an option.
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby MrBill » Wed 20 Dec 2006, 08:51:25

What about the energy wasted by the WSJ and the other daily rags spending time, money and, of course, more energy writing about general themes that have been already covered in their competitor's newspapers, in specialist mags in more detail, by scientific journals and consumer reports, or my gawd, already written about after the first energy shocks in the 1970's? Do these 'journalists' ever consider that their jabbering on about this or that when their ideas are neither new nor unique makes them part of the problem? That larger houses may use more energy? Who would have thought that? Duh.
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby rogerhb » Wed 20 Dec 2006, 16:46:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'D')o these 'journalists' ever consider that their jabbering on about this or that when their ideas are neither new nor unique makes them part of the problem?


Or that 'economic growth' was part of the problem?
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Re: WSJ - A Hunt for Energy Hogs

Postby Zardoz » Wed 20 Dec 2006, 17:39:45

The ever-growing mania for big flat-panel televisions sure as hell isn't helping:

20 TVs' power consumption compared

Size does matter, huh?

They're the hot item this Christmas season. Now that the prices are getting down to where a high percentage of us can afford them, they've become a must-have electro-toy.
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