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Great news, US trade deficit drops !!!

Unread postby oilluber » Sat 13 May 2006, 12:20:32

is this due to greater US exports of cigaretts,
guns ,,,arms to hot spots in the world ??

Any ideas as to why the deficit dropped ??
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Re: Great news, US trade deficit drops !!!

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Sat 13 May 2006, 14:15:54

Can you provide a link to this gem of information? Its just floating in the wind at the moment.
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Re: Great news, US trade deficit drops !!!

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sat 13 May 2006, 14:23:31

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Re: Great news, US trade deficit drops !!!

Unread postby firestarter » Sat 13 May 2006, 14:40:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oilluber', '
')Any ideas as to why the deficit dropped ??




Oil imports dropped 8%. And that's the end of the story.
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Re: Great news, US trade deficit drops !!!

Unread postby bonjaski » Sat 13 May 2006, 14:53:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('firestarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oilluber', '
')Any ideas as to why the deficit dropped ??




Oil imports dropped 8%. And that's the end of the story.


and thats a good end,

we shouldn't forget that a high trade deficit is also a sign of a strong economy.

So this shows, that maybe there are problems.
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Re: Great news, US trade deficit drops !!!

Unread postby Teclo » Sun 14 May 2006, 18:45:10

yeah am I to believe this is good news as MSM reports?
it just means the overall defecit grew by 10 billion dollars less than expected, still grew by 62 billion!
It's not good news unless it's a surpless

Or am I missing something

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Oil Prices Push Trade Gap Higher in April

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Fri 09 Jun 2006, 16:29:23

Todays business headlines. Is the cliche "same ole, same ole" starting to ring true?

Oil Prices Push Trade Gap Higher in April

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060609/economy.html?.v=9

"The deterioration in the deficit was almost all accounted for by a $1.44 billion increase in America's foreign oil bill, which rose to $23.8 billion. That reflected a big jump in crude oil prices, which hit an all-time high of $75.17 per barrel in late April."

Oil Prices Jump Amid Instability in Iraq

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060609/oil_prices_us.html?.v=3

"Oil prices rose by more than $1 a barrel Friday, reversing a three-day decline. Brokers attributed the rise to tough talk from an Iranian cleric and the kidnapping of a senior Iraqi petroleum industry official -- proof that the killing of al-Qaida's leader in Iraq did not mark the end of instability in that country."
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Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 18:19:54

What, me worry?

The current account trade deficit increased 3.9 percent to an all-time high of $225.6 billion in the July-September quarter

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he current account deficit is expected to hit a new record for the full year, far surpassing last year's record of $791.5 billion although some analysts said they believed the third-quarter figure would represent the worst of the deficit numbers.

"Lower oil prices, robust export growth and some cooling in import growth should bring the deficit down, beginning in the fourth quarter," said Nigel Gault, an economist with Global Insight, a private forecasting firm.

He predicted the deficit would average around $866 billion this year but shrink moderately to $816 billion next year.


Oh, good. See? It's going to "shrink" next year. Nothing to concern ourselves with.

Besides, we Americans have the finest currency-printing machines in the world. We can cover anything!
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby Euric » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 18:55:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')hat, me worry?

The current account trade deficit increased 3.9 percent to an all-time high of $225.6 billion in the July-September quarter

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he current account deficit is expected to hit a new record for the full year, far surpassing last year's record of $791.5 billion although some analysts said they believed the third-quarter figure would represent the worst of the deficit numbers.

"Lower oil prices, robust export growth and some cooling in import growth should bring the deficit down, beginning in the fourth quarter," said Nigel Gault, an economist with Global Insight, a private forecasting firm.

He predicted the deficit would average around $866 billion this year but shrink moderately to $816 billion next year.


Oh, good. See? It's going to "shrink" next year. Nothing to concern ourselves with.

Besides, we Americans have the finest currency-printing machines in the world. We can cover anything!





The current account is not the trade deficit, it is the US government operating deficit. I love when they use terms like "robust". There is more bust in the US economy then robust.
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 20:07:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')hat, me worry?

The current account trade deficit increased 3.9 percent to an all-time high of $225.6 billion in the July-September quarter

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he current account deficit is expected to hit a new record for the full year, far surpassing last year's record of $791.5 billion although some analysts said they believed the third-quarter figure would represent the worst of the deficit numbers.

"Lower oil prices, robust export growth and some cooling in import growth should bring the deficit down, beginning in the fourth quarter," said Nigel Gault, an economist with Global Insight, a private forecasting firm.

He predicted the deficit would average around $866 billion this year but shrink moderately to $816 billion next year.


Oh, good. See? It's going to "shrink" next year. Nothing to concern ourselves with.

Besides, we Americans have the finest currency-printing machines in the world. We can cover anything!


As I mentioned in another thread today, higher energy prices increase the economies of oil exporting countries - which for the most part - reinvest most but not all of their excess savings into US dollars. Those savings are needed to fund the $900 billion current account deficit. China provides the biggest share of the funding, but without OPEC the whole dollar scheme would fail.

As long as OPEC (excluding renegades like Venezuela and Iran) invest most of their savings in US$s, or their savings are indirectly converted to dollars through the Euromarkets, the US can pay continually higher prices for oil. Granted this just runs up the foreign debt ever higher, but until a crisis or depression comes along, the system appears to work fine.

Eventually foreigners will perceive the dollar as too risky - or they may just stop investing as much. Either way, the last days of the strong dollar accepted worlwide draw steadily closer.
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby EnergyHog » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 21:10:35

The trade deficit has to soar, we don't make much here. Gotta import damn near everything but weapons and dollars.
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby Cobra_Strike » Mon 18 Dec 2006, 21:15:46

Wasn't the message given last year that they 'expected' to close the trade gap this year? And yet....its widening? Something makes me think that the end of next year will result in the same message, expect that this year ballooning deficit will get smaller.....million mark note, here we come.
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby oilfreeandhappy » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 01:44:39

$791.5 Billion. Here's a quote from a CNN Money article in May, 2000, when Clinton was being blasted for a record $30.2 Billion trade deficit.

"March trade gap widens to $30.2B, the highest deficit figure ever recorded... "

http://money.cnn.com/2000/05/19/economy/economy_trade/
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby Longsword » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 07:20:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'W')hy are we importing so much more than we export since 9/11.

(SNIP some good points)

...In my minds eye I see a big fat Uncle Sam in a pool of blood with several gaping oozing wounds. I am not trying to be sensationalist. But I leave open the chance I an dead wrong. Admittedly I am not a man of 30 years experience, but I know some good sound fundamentals. Why do I and so many others here see to see the precarious situation but those in power do not? Are we decieving ourselves?


Oh, they see it, but they are banking on status quo, since doing anything about this would be far too painful, a political suicide. As long as the rest of the world is willing to pay for the US orgy of consumerism, arms buildup, military adventures and tax cuts, then there is no downside to US leadership.

US is playing the "too big to fall" card. Instead of fixing their fiscal house, the leadership is banking on China, Japan, Middle-East and the rest to pay all the bills. China needs a place to sell their cheap trinkets, after all, and Middle-East governments need a place to dump their oil for big profits.
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 11:37:02

Longsword accurately wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S is playing the "too big to fall" card. Instead of fixing their fiscal house, the leadership is banking on China, Japan, Middle-East and the rest to pay all the bills. China needs a place to sell their cheap trinkets, after all, and Middle-East governments need a place to dump their oil for big profits.


Yes, indeed, that is the crux of global co-dependency! ; - )
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby Euric » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 12:21:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'W')asn't the message given last year that they 'expected' to close the trade gap this year? And yet....its widening? Something makes me think that the end of next year will result in the same message, expect that this year ballooning deficit will get smaller.....million mark note, here we come.


How can the trade deficit decline? As Energy hog stated: the US doesn't make anything anymore. Even if they did, who would buy them? American products mostly are not metric and that is a big turn off to buyers in the world.

Better for the world if America exports its manufacturing to metric countries and having those products produced to metric dimensions using metric components such as fasteners.

The only way the trade deficit will narrow for the US is when its economy collapses and the US can no longer afford to import goods. That could happen in 2007.
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby Euric » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 12:29:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Longsword', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'W')hy are we importing so much more than we export since 9/11.

(SNIP some good points)

...In my minds eye I see a big fat Uncle Sam in a pool of blood with several gaping oozing wounds. I am not trying to be sensationalist. But I leave open the chance I an dead wrong. Admittedly I am not a man of 30 years experience, but I know some good sound fundamentals. Why do I and so many others here see to see the precarious situation but those in power do not? Are we deceiving ourselves?


Oh, they see it, but they are banking on status quo, since doing anything about this would be far too painful, a political suicide. As long as the rest of the world is willing to pay for the US orgy of consumerism, arms buildup, military adventures and tax cuts, then there is no downside to US leadership.

US is playing the "too big to fall" card. Instead of fixing their fiscal house, the leadership is banking on China, Japan, Middle-East and the rest to pay all the bills. China needs a place to sell their cheap trinkets, after all, and Middle-East governments need a place to dump their oil for big profits.


The rest of the world isn't willing to go on like this. If you take a hint from the article, Germany is booming and confidence is increasing because Germany has learned to find other buyers for their products and not rely on the US. Thus when the US does fall they will take no one with them.

The timing for the US collapse is critical. If it happens too soon and other markets aren't ready then they could be caught in the shock wave. If the crash is delayed too long, then the shock and impact would be greater.

The fact that the EU economy is growing in real terms (not in the terms of US debt inflation) despite the growing euro is a sign that Germany and the EU are succeeding in diversifying their customer base.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/spi ... 06,00.html
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Re: Trade Deficit Soars to Record

Unread postby DantesPeak » Tue 19 Dec 2006, 13:04:41

There possibly is no lower level of the dollar at which the trade deficit can ever be corrected. Short of an outright plunge in consumer demand, which would usually only happen in a depression, the US trade deficit may never be balanced again.

Since there is no cure for the US$’s problems, to some extent it makes sense for the central banks of the world to keep the US$ regime going. Granted the US and its almost $1 trillion yearly current account deficit is like drug addict going for ever larger fixes and getting in worse and worse shape. But no one intentionally wants to cut off the addict for fear the addict might become like a wild animal.

Possibly what other countries want for the dollar may eventually not matter anyway. The price of energy may go so high as to make the current account deficit no longer supportable by foreigners. In that doomsday scenario, the US$ has no level or natural value to which it could fall.
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