[Revi]

I think I'll have a bit of an advantage when things start to go awry. I've lived in the third world where the economy was unravelling, and been in living situations where the ship was going down. It's important to act not out of fear, but out of hope. Then you have to have a bit of faith that things are going to work out. It looks bad for the next couple of years at least, but we have to try to keep it together for the people who are dependent on us at least. The larger society may disintegrate, but that's no reason for us to lose it. I think it's a good idea to get out of situations that will crumble, like New Orleans, but if you are in an ok place, then start preparing to stay there. Nothing worse than being a refugee when TSHTF. We have nothing to fear but fear itself. The next year is for preparation.

[Zardoz]

[Revi]

The empire is about to go belly up, but we live in a bubble of delusion. Here's a great article on it:

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Arc ... sions.html


Awesome pic Zardoz!

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'A')wesome pic!

[Revi]

The Wizard of Whimsy has got it right. This is the funniest, and most tragic group of people that ever ruled us. They are too comic to fear. Comedy turns our fear into gallows humor.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')hat are you trying to do? steal my weirdness!

Its about fear ya freaky frenchman!
I dont play golf!
I dont read newspapers!

But some more toast and sleeping in does sound good - I will let you know how I feel in the morning

[NEOPO]

JPL - I understand and for the most part I agree.

Curiousity refined by the fear factory ushered me further and I wonder why it does not have the same effect on others.

Personally I am not afraid of what may come.

We have a nice plot of land and if it was not in question I would have already planted many trees and otherwise kept my mind busy achieving sustainability rather then digging deep into conspiracies and the things that only appear to be conspiracies at first

Yes climate change may wreck my organic garden wish's and my composting dream's yet I cannot prevent that - only try to adapt.

One day soon we will settle and get busy but for now everything I have learned about peak oil, about how to read between the lines and to doubt the governments "experts", to do the math and my own HOMEWORK, this act of questioning has brought me truth yet as I begin to take another step toward the light I hear voices of my peak oil peers warning me, discouraging me and filling me with doubt.

One would think that the only conspiracy that was not a conspiracy was peak oil and thats possible I suppose yet not very.

I am having a hard time trying to not revisit every past resignation.

Its something some people always "knew" but could never put their finger on it, could never "prove" anything much prior to the creation of the internet.
Now - the power is at our fingertips and all one needs to do is ask the question and be willing to learn.

Sure there is alot of riff raff, 1000's of pages on every subject, yet thats to be expected and sorted as one goes along.
A little wisdom goes a long way.

Like 911 truth - initially it was a bunch of jibber jabber.
Mainly nonsense with a small smidgen of weirdness yet time went on and those of us capable of revision and asking the questions again were rewarded.

Sadly the sheeple think PO = Y2K/$ and 911 = Terrorism/$.

Most peakers look at things like Bush the Nazi or Bush the Illuminati or even 911 truth and they just shrug their shoulders.

I think it is their fear of realizing the ugly truth behind these peoples rise to power, motives behind past and present day events that prevents them from understanding.
The fear that we have been lied to about many things, many important things.
The feeling of being manipulated from birth.
The same thing that prevents most people from"getting" peak oil.
We have been taught to bitch about the price of gas while we are filling our tank
Square pegs get stuck in round holes - crap builds up around the edges and sooner or later its cemented in there and it takes a mental jackhammer to loosen it so a round peg can finally be inserted inside the round hole.
Hope that didnt turn anyone on
The ugly FN truth.

Revi - indeed.
Those of us who have never been poor, never experienced trauma and other hardships, never experienced great loss - these people will be the one's most likely to break when/if TSHTF.

I thought Chris Rock said it well tonight "If Bill Gates woke up one morning and had Oprahs money he would jump out of a FN window"

Again - this thread is not about my fear but thanks to anyone who thought so and posted in an attempt to help reasssure me
I have not contemplated commiting suicide this year - nope - this year I am just really really pissed off that I have been lied to by pretty much all of my teachers, government, science, religion et al.
Pretty much FN everyone and everything and worse of all I have lied to myself!!! bastard!!

So, what I really want to know is this:

1: is it not fear that prevents most people from understanding and accepting Peak Oil, then taking it a step further is it not fear that prevents them from being able to envision the possible present and future ramifications of peak oil and actually do something about it?

Carpe diem! indeed yet there is a very high probability that tomorrow will come as well.
Fail to plan plan to fail.

2: is it not fear that prevents most people from understanding and accepting pretty much anything that they do not wish to believe?

Even if it was only fear of ridicule......

You know - like something our parents, our grand parents, our siblings and our friends all laughed about.
Could we then take said subject seriously and even go as far as to expose it as serious to all of these people knowing full well the level of ridicule surely to follow?

If you had lunch with an alien and then the alien butt probed you...would you tell?
If not I know an alien friend who would like to have lunch with you

Gampy - you are most definately not alone with feelings of detachment.
I agree - this is no more then a blip in time.
"For several hundred years they were intoxicated on petroleum yet eventually they ran out".....excerpt from a 22nd century history book.

TPTB and everyone else under the umbrella have been trying to sell unsustainable insanity for the last 100 years and before that it was genocide and slavery.
Now I know why I disliked school yet was one of those "smart" kids at the same time

Hey wait a minute!!
Maybe they were trying to dumb us down by taking us out of class to go play on "happy" computers starting in the 3rd grade.....
<twilight zone music>
Yeah maybe that was why I knew the binary code, basic programming and could make a lil birdy fly across the screen by the almighty power of my commodore 64 by age of 9.
Those mother F ers!!

Fear.....

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'J')PL - I understand and for the most part I agree.

Curiousity refined by the fear factory ushered me further and I wonder why it does not have the same effect on others.

Personally I am not afraid of what may come.

[Revi]

Fear is there, but it mustn't paralyze us. The path of renewables and switching off of fossil fuel is one of abundance. Planting trees is the thing to do. Make your plans, start to make them work. The worst might happen. We can't plan for everything. We can shrink our fossil fuel use, so that it doesn't hit us so hard.

The movie Apocalypto shows a band of hunter/gatherers attacked by a larger civilization. They talk about fear. It is crippling. We can't succumb to it. We know it's there, spurring us on, but we must keep going. Whatever we do, we can't let it make our decisions for us. We are the ones who know what's going on. That puts us in a much better place as it gets wierd out there. As they say in France, Courage!